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Azuren said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Well, I just spent 5 minutes switching  through the various app icons on the webos menu - (hovering over an app displays a flat colour associated with that app across the entire screen apart from an icon in the middle and the icon tray at the bottom - should do the trick no?) and I can honestly say that I cannot see any uniformity issues.

 

Maybe I'm just lucky but my understanding is that it's not a hit or miss thing but an issue inert to every oled TV so I dunno...

 

Until I do see signs of burn in, my stance is that I own a TV that is significantly better than any of those you listed on a previous post & even if it were to show signs in say, a year or two, at which point does it get bad enough to completely offset the advantage it has in image quality? 

 

If I had the choice between a non-oled or an oled with a bit of burn-in in the top left of the screen where the BBC logo lives, I'd still choose the oled...

 

Again, this is just me, I'm sure that view would split opinion but I think the presumption that burn-in of any kind nullifies any and all of the other advantages the oled holds over it's counterparts is not fair. 

 

And I have zero loyalty to oled itself - if like you say, next gen qled trumps it then qled will be my next TV.

 

I appreciate the more constructive tone to your recent posts as opposed to the ones where you were telling me, as an oled owner, that I feel bitter - as that's what got my hackles up! 

The easiest way to spot burn-in is a uniform red screen.

 

Every OLED is susceptible to burn-in, but they succumb at different rates due to irregularities from set to set.

 

LG OLEDs lose definition in blacks; LG OLEDs also suffer from shoddy upscaling and noise algorithms; image retention can get pretty ridiculous on OLEDs, staying visible well past ten minutes; and finally, standard LED TVs don't require extra care or conditions to use without compromising the picture; at least the 930E runs twice as bright on Real Scene Brightness; QLEDs have significantly more color volume; the SJ8500 and SJ9500 have significantly lower input lag; both Tizen and AndroidTV are more supported than WebOS; none of the models I listed suffer from half-lives; none of the models I listed suffer from burn-in at a rate anywhere close to OLED; should I go on? It's clear to anyone who's paying attention to OLED issues and not OLED contrast that the failure rate is high enough to avoid them altogether.

 

That's a strange decision that seems to defeat you stating you have no loyalty to OLED, as no one without loyalty would actively choose an already burnt-in TV over a TV that won't burn-in.

 

And it does, because it doesn't matter how good the rest of the screen looks: part of the screen is compromised in an unfixable way, making your TV pretty much worthless beyond that point. It's like people walking around with cracks on their phone screen; no one wants that, so why actively pick a phone that can crack by itself seemingly at random?

 

But it's your decision. If burn-in doesn't bother you, then OLEDs have the perfect contrast (which makes up most of what your eye finds appealing, not necessarily the perfect blacks). As for myself, I'll wait for self-emitting panels that lack burn-in.

Whilst you definitely know what you're talking about when it comes to TVs you also have a bit of a flair for the dramatic...

If you want to compare the issue of burn-in on a tv with a comparable issue on a phone - then surely, rather than using an example of a cracked screen it would be a more even-handed approach to use the example of... I dunno... ummm... burn-in maybe? Comparing burn-in to a cracked screen is just hyperbole.

I've attached a pic of my tv running a uniform red - as you suggested - and unless I'm missing something there seems to be zero sign of any issues :)

My comment about choosing an OLED with a little burn-in over an inferior set without - was there to illustrate that that whilst it may represent an instant game over to you, to others it would simply be another piece of info used to weigh-up the pro's and cons of a tv. If, like the example I mentioned, the BBC icon caused some burn-in after a few years - the TV wouldn't immediately go from a 9/10 PQ to zero. Maybe it would drop to an 8.5 or an 8 - but that's just me - it's subjective... depends on the severity and how visible it is during normal viewing - not some test screen... and it doesn't instantly negate all of the advantages that the TV holds over it's competition.

Anyway - the completionist in me just wanted to post the photo to show that I'm not some OLED zealot in self-denial - I've had the set for 2 years and it still looks fantastic. If I make it to 5 years without any noticeable burn-in (as in noticeable during normal viewing) then I've made the correct TV purchase & no number of links will prove otherwise!

https://ibb.co/jtq2vG