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irstupid said:
Nymeria said:

I thought BvS was a real mixed bag of trying to do too much and I wasn't crazy about the tone or interpretation of Superman.

Suicide Squad just felt like a mess of a film that did nothing for me.

I adore Wonder Woman even if the end played it safe.

Justice League is a solid movie that felt like a soft reboot in tone.  I really noticed the color and brightness being cranked up.  Its main flaws are a very by the numbers plot and feeling a bit rushed.  They got Wonder Woman and Superman right for me though, so helped it immensely in my estimation.

BvS - 5/10, SS - 2/10, WW - 9/10, JL - 7/10

I really don't get people saying they all of a sudden got superman right.

What did they do in this movie that they didn't in others? Lets go over Superman in this movie. Spoilers below obviously.

1. Cell Footage of Superman talking to kids after saving stuff. (Stands around looking heroic and not answering questions. Is this it?)

2. First scene is his resurrection. He is evil. He fights the league and threatens to kill Batman. (Clearly Superman right)

3. Next scene is Farm scene. Scene looked identical to a dozen scenes from MoS/BvS. (According to you, he was not superman in those movies, so it can't be here that we finally see superman.)

4. Shows up for final fight. Makes a cheesy entrance saying "Truth, I believe in truth, and Justice" Then he just beats the shit out of Steppenwolf easily. During fight leaves to save some people. He did that in Man of Steel as well. Oh and he makes a joke about wanting to die after splitting boxes. 

5. We see clark run into ally and rip open his shirt to fly off and save stuff. (I assume this one 3 second scene is what your talking about) Though why didn't his montage of saving stuff in BvS not count?

6. Superman races Flash.

So what was it that made him so much more Supermany in this movie?

1. Yes. He expressed a sense of calm understanding with the excited kids. It was equivalent of a good father exercising patience.

2. The rebirth scene I excuse because they state he is "not himself" until Lois shows up. I personally did not like "Do you bleed?" call back.

3. This was a neutral scene, and yes those existed in MoS and BvS as well. I didn't dislike everything about those movies.

4. Yes. I eat that cheese up. He seemed happy to be there, confident in his role and wanting to help. I loved that building scene.

5. That montage scene in BvS was maybe the saddest thing I've seen in a super hero movie. It is so dour and gloomy like a reluctant hero obligated to do these things. It belonged more in Watchman (which had an excellent opening credit montage where that tone fit that world) than it did Superman.

6. That was great too, he had great rapport with Flash acting as a leader bringing along a young nervous hero.

A lot of what made it what it is is what it wasn't.  I didn't see people hating Superman or being told not to save people because he owes them nothing.  The coloring in this was much more saturated and bright making him pop like Wonder Woman in her solo movie.  His only negative scene is explained via plot, but he snaps out of it and isn't fighting friends or in anguish.  The worst part of BvS was I watched Superman die and I felt nothing, it seemed like release for a poor soul who suffered and was unappreciated by our world.  My hope is we see the seeds here to really show a Superman who inspires us past cynicism to the best aspects of our nature.

Superman has been around now for nearly a century. He has had countless versions across media of him.  I've always been partial to Reeves 1978 I grew up with.  I understand if people find that "lame" or "corny" but that is what I love about him. Batman can be all the angst and darkness anti-hero mold, Superman compliments that with hope, and for the first time in a long time I felt hope watching him. I cannot tell you how to feel watching images on a  screen, I can only rely my own.