So, I was completely wrong about 4K

[Azuren]

Biggerboat1 said:

Azuren said:

First of all, that chart is from a site that believes Image Retention isn't a super-important stat for a screen while gaming or using as a computer monitor. They give great objective information on TVs, but they tend to be full of shit when it comes to more subjective information (which in this instance would be anything that can't be measured).

 

Second of all, yeah, a 55" isn't for ten feet away. Like I just said. That's why the industry standard isn't 55" now, it's 65". 55" is still popular, though, because many people live in apartments where the sitting area is 6-8ft away from the TV. Not everyone lives in a house with a living that gives them a 10ft distance from the couch.

 

Third of all, if he says he can see a difference, then his eyes are probably just better.

 

And finally, if you didn't have an agenda you would have put all the pieces together to learn why 4K is a thing. I can spell it out for you, though: 4K is so we can have bigger screens in smaller spaces without losing pixel density and succumbing to the "screen door" effect. That's it. Yes, it also means more detailed images, but the biggest thing is maintaining high pixel densities at larger sizes. Have you ever seen a 100" 1080p TV? The pixel structure looks like a fucking Light Bright.

 

I really don't see anything that I've written warranting you having to have spell anything out tbh... 

I understand why 4k is a thing, and I look forward to buying a 77" oled somwhere down the line when prices aren't quite so insane.

If you don't like the chart that I've quoted then chuck the term 'resolution vs viewing distance chart' in Google and you'll find countless others showing pretty much the same breakdown of info. They surely can't all be wrong...?

I don't have an agenda, I own a 4k telly for God's sake...

My issue is that Sony and Microsoft are pushing the 4k message hard at the mainstream when there's only a tiny percentage of gamers who'll really benefit in a meaningful way. Those that sit very close to a 55" or own a 65" plus, oh, and apparently have fantastic eyesight! The ven disagram is becoming ever more teeny-tiny...

Finally, watching netflix or Amazon or whatever makes sense as most people have unlimited Internet packages  - even if it's only a small improvement, why not! But gaming requires a whopping 4x the graphical power. That's a crazy amount of extra power and/or money for a gain that is proportionate to your tv size & imo you'd be nuts to go that route unless you are sitting crazy close or have a 65" plus. 

You can argue charts all you want on the viewing angle business, but most people will still argue that those charts are bullshit. The more you talk about that chart rather than your own experience, the more I suspect you've never tested it yourself.

 

As far as whether or not Sony and MS should be pushing this, it's up to the consumer. And they've decided they want higher resolution instead of higher frame rates.

 

Also, your last statement is essentially the same as your second-to-last statement... Not quite sure how to respond to it.