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Superman4 said:
StarOcean said:

I have to watch them both every night. CNN is anti-Trump, which doesn't make you liberal. It's common sense to be anti-Trump. I'm not a liberal and I think Trump is a disgrace to the entire world. Fox is pro-Trump. Well they flipped when all the other Rep candidates lost to him, anyway. CNN, no, any news network even need to twist his words because all he does is lie and say stupid shit. He's less functional than the patients I take care of. Fox is a conservative network and was never going to like Hillary. And was never ever going to be fair to her even if she was a decent candidate due to her ties with Obama. They were never on point and would defend Trump even if he raped a child. 

And using the word liberal to equate to spin is the same as conservative equates to lunatics since you have Info Wars saying Michelle Obama is a man and Fox promoting the Seth Rich conspiracy theory. So nah nah nah, you gonna hate one, you gotta hate the other. Both groups have made me lose most of my hope in humanity. At worst, this will blow over in 4-8yrs, at best the US crumbles to the ground. Trump is a bad businessman, politician, son, husband, father, and president. He would have you shot dead if it gave him 5 minutes of fame. He's petty, weak, insecure. You do not want that man to represent you. Whether or not he committed crimes doesn't negate him being a terrible human being.

My main reasons for being anti-Trump are his lack of care for the environment and his agenda on pushing any shitty health plan just to say, "Ha! Suck it!" to people he is against. Which in turn hurts MY clients, people I care for. The other shit is just icing on the cake. You might say, "Well he said otherwise" but his actions speak differently. He has proven he has little regard for life on earth and the people he is supposed to represent. 

 

The reason I use liberal to describe CNN and such is because up until Trump I considered myself more a Liberal-Democrat than anything else. I voted for Bill Clinton and Obama, Hell I voted for Al Gore. I agree with Some of what Bernie says and still think that if the DNC didn't screw him over that he would have won over Trump. What lost me about that party and really my state ( California ) is that I actually paid attention this time around. I read every last detail of everything on the Ballot, who was for and against each measure and came to the realization that the Democrats and Liberals, in this state at least are generally idiots. They put no thought into the ramifications of what they want to accomplish. Every last measure on the ballot that was funded and supported by Democrats took away voters rights and ability to have a say. When reading them I thought there was no way any Democrat would pass such idiotic measures but alas, every single one passed. Watching CNN plainly lie about what Trump said in his debates...which I watched in their entity, turned me to Fox to see what they had to say. I never really watched Fox before this election. Fox was actually pretty much on point with what Trump said and even Hillary. They bashed some of what he said because they didn't want him to win either and still bash him on occasion. CNN however did nothing of the sort. They would take snippets of the speech, out of context and incomplete and twist them into something they weren't and debate about it for an hour. Then Ana Navarro decided to start calling Trump a racist and saying he called all Mexicans murderers and Rapists. I watched that entire speech from start to finish, Live and thats not what he said. She has continued to say that same false narrative every time she is on the show. If you watch Fox its not that way, they bash Hillary yes, but they also bash Trump and a lot of other republicans on various issues. They will give those same people credit when they deserve it and unlike CNN wont take another backhanded jab right after any praise if any is given at all. CNN even twisted what he said about good people being on both sides during that protest where the women was run over. Not all of the people were violent or racist, it only takes a few to start trouble just ask Antifa. Fox does have some people that are far right in their beliefs but honestly for the most part the shows I watch are far better than the trash CNN is spewing these days. Hell, watching the election results on CNN when Hillary got off to an early lead was comical. They were all giddy and I told ya so up until Trump started to take some states he wasn't supposed to, then they switched the tone to "its still early" and "he will have to sweep these to have a chance". They didnt even want to call it in Trumps favor once it was clear he had won.

The thing is, do you want a bad Rep like Trump in office? You called yourself a Lib/Dem. If you are theres no way I could see you truly supporting him unless its out of protest. If you want a good Republican, John Kasich is a great one to follow. I don't see Bernie running in 2020. I think a decent Dem to look at for 2020/2024 is Joe Kennedy. But hey, that's my 2 cents. And really, Fox is still bad. Politics-wise. I'll always maintain that Fox and CNN make really good non-political peices though.