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EricHiggin said:
Puppyroach said:

We have an example of removing most guns from society. Australia did this some 15 years ago and haven´t had a mass killing since then.

Do you think everyone should be able to drive any vehicle without license and that every vehicle should be accesible to everyone at all times, including ships, buses and airplanes? Or wouldn´t it be easier to just face the reality that this issue has nothing to do with any right to have weapons, but that people want to play cops and robbers as grownups and that society allows it?

Well it's been made clear that mass gun killings have stopped there, up until now anyway, but a lot has not been asked ironically. Has the gun killing increased, just in more smaller doses, leading to the same amount of deaths anyway? Maybe there are mass killing's happening there, just not gun related. Maybe they are using weapons other than guns now, and those weapons aren't allowing for as many deaths per incident, yet the number of incidents may be higher? You can't just say the mass gun killing has stopped so problem solved. Not that simple.

The way vehicle safety is handled is quite good and gun safety could always be better yes, but just like how vehicles get stolen and people are still killed with them, do we ban all guns and vehicles? If your willing to point out how vehicle safety is handled, clearly there are still issues there, so why isn't anyone talking about how vehicles need better safety regulations or banning them outright? Just because they are an everyday tool for some people, doesn't make it any less of a potential weapon. Not only does a vehicle give you the opportunity to kill more people, but it also better protects you from the authorities, and allows a much easier getaway.

The right to bear arms is an issue. You think the founding fathers were so stupid that they thought allowing citizen's to have guns wouldn't ever lead to unnecessary deaths? The amount of unnecessary deaths may have been in smaller doses back then, maybe, but the population was also dramatically smaller back then, so the amount of deaths today wouldn't seem out of place. That's not to say there shouldn't be changes to the rules at all, but those changes need to make sense overall. The few must give up what's necessary for the benefit of the many if it comes down to it. The point of the right to gun ownership, is to protect yourself from many different potential outcomes. Assuming the world is so civilized today that needing a gun as protection isn't necessary is a gamble. Some are willing to gamble, some aren't. Some need to gamble, some don't. How many people's safety was maintained or life was saved due to a citizen having a gun?

Just waking up in the morning is a risk in itself. Human beings are not born with the right to live until they are 100 years old. You are given rights so your chances of achieveing that are higher, but in no way is it guaranteed.

Deaths and assaults by knife jumped dramatically after the ban on guns. In the USthe liberals hate guns and blame them on everything. The right doesnt even want background checks because they are assholes and just want to piss off the liberals. In reality more people die in car accidents every year than by gun violence and mass shotings like what happened in Vegas are even more rare. The terror attack on Sept 11th killed more people than Sandy Hook, Florida night club, colombine and Vegas put together.