Farsala said: People comparing Gun violence in USA to less population dense countries like Australia and Canada is ridiculous. It be like me taking a single state and comparing it with them. In fact lets do just that. Iowa- 90,000 guns /100,000 people, .71 murder/ 100,000 = 126,760 guns per murder Canada- 30,800 guns/ 100,000, .38/ 100,000= 81,052 guns per murder Australia - 21,000 guns/ 100,000, .16/100,000= 131,250 guns per murder Looks like more guns don't always equal more violence, and this is with proximity to more dangerous states unlike Australia. Still we could take it a step further since Iowa is a lot more population dense then these ridiculously small population densities of Canada and Australia. Iowa- 55person/Sqmi Australia - 8.3 Canada- 10.2 But I don't feel like doing more calculations, it would be too easy. In short, pretty uncomparable, we can skew stats all we like to paint a better narrative. Also I feel like this only gets talked about so often is because everything in USA gets on the media, but a lot of things in other countries are simply ignored. Disclaimer: Stats may not be perfect or completely correct, and could be outdated, but you get the point. |
"Looks like more guns don't always equal more violence"
How in the world did you get that conclusion from that data? I mean, you can find other examples, but the ones you took clearly shows a correlation between gun ownership and murder. Guns per murder would only matter if you were trying to show a direct linear correlation, which no has ever said to be the case.
Lack of density also seems like a bad argument (I don't actually see how that should contribute significantly to violence - in Canada, as in everywhere else, almost everyone lives in urban areas - around Toronto, Montreal, and the West Coast. Who cares how much empty space is between these urban areas.)
Notice also that the average European country has a popultion density higher than the US. Germany, with a murder rate of about 0.8, has a density of 226/km2, which would put it between the 5th and 6th densesest US states. Also, 0.8 is bellow the murder rate of all US states, according to the most recent data:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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