S.T.A.G.E. said:
The problem is beyond gun control. There are too many souls living here and in In a semi-free market there also comes a black market (obviously because its not completely free). You cannot stop people in America from getting guns, no less than you can stop illegal drug trade. Take away the guns too and no one will be able to defend themselves. American has been entrenched in gun culture since its inception. |
The same arguments were used in Australia before gun control was brought in.
We can obviously see that those arguments are false.
Mr Puggsly said:
Is THIS really a gun issue though? Somebody wanted to kill a large number of people, that's the real problem. That can be achieved with a large vehicle, bomb, etc. I don't think I need to give examples. |
Partially it is a gun issue.
And you are correct, that if someone wanted to kill a large number of people there are multiple avenues to achieving that goal.
However... The entire point of Gun Control is to make mass killings more difficult, not impossible, more difficult.
Those other avenues you describe are certainly more difficult than merely picking up a gun, they require significantly more resources and planning, meaning that your law enforcement has more chances to counter those plans.
Gun control doesn't mean that guns are actually banned either, just that it is less likely that some redneck meth-addict sitting on a porch is going to cock a shotgun when a kid runs across his lawn... Or that a toddler will walk over to their parents bed and find a gun under a pillow and having a brutal accident follow through.
Gun control *does* work. Take note of the countrys that have brought it in.
| Dark_Lord_2008 said: America needs less gun control. More people need guns to prevent attacks like this from occurring. If only the innocent people had guns to shoot back, lives may have been saved. |
Citation needed.
| Lawlight said: There is no way you can control guns in a country of such size. It's not even entirely possible in Australia. |
Bullshit.
Australia is geographically equivalent in size to mainland USA.
Population wise you have a point, but gun Control wasn't a switch that was turned on overnight in Australia, it's still an on-going process.
The USA spends hundreds of billions on military, security and so on, if anything they have more resources than Australia to achieve gun control.
Besides. It's the country that landed man on the moon, surely gun control is within it's grasp.
| think-man said: Remove guns, just look at Australia before strict gun laws, mass shootings lead to bans there. I believe Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since the law was changed. |
Correct.
With that, guns aren't illegal... You just need a damn good reason to own one.
And then you need to keep them stored in an alarmed, steel, locked cabinet that is bolted to the ground, have a ton of checks and so on.
| Nymeria said: What are the gun laws in Australia? Were they altered in the past? Did they result in different results? |
Back when I was a kid Australia's gun laws were very similar to the current USA.
After a massacre, legistlation was brought in to implement strict gun control. (By a right-wing conservative government no less!)
And it started with people giving up theirs guns voluntary, then new laws introduced for stricter management, penalties and so on.
And it worked.
| rolltide101x said: Statistically it does not.
Criminals will find means to get weapons. May as well have armed citizens to protect themselves |
Generally doesn't happen here. So statistically you are incorrect.
The majority of Australians support and continue to support the removal of guns from our society, because it has worked.
I mean hell. I haven't seen a gun in real life in like 20-25 years.
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