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[Final-Fan]

sc94597 said:

Final-Fan said:

To answer point 2, certainly it is the case that expanding human settlements and other activity contribute (loss of habitat etc.), but that just means that there is a smaller (or otherwise more vulnerable) base of "wilderness" for modern people to have an impact on.  This hardly bolsters the argument that hunters and fishers have less impact now compared to then. 

I would have had less of a problem if you had not quoted the hunting numbers at all.  But to quote the hunting numbers, and not the fishing numbers, just seemed pointless and stupid.  People "living in the woods" also fish. 

Lastly, are you really saying you are fine with the government exerting that control over privately held lands? 

For point 2, the primitivist (who wants to live subsistence lifestyle) would argue that because it was not the hunter/gatherer lifestyle which limited animal populations, but rather industrialization, it shouldn't be the hunter-gatherers who concede in order to preserve animals, but rather those who live a lifestyle based on industrialization (note I don't necessarily agree with this) but that is how the primitivist would argue it. They'd say that if it weren't for industrialization, hunting and grazing would be sustainable without a disastrous environmental impact. 

The hunting number was the low-hanging fruit really. I did that to emphasize that it isn't a simple as population size or density. 

Governments already control whether or not you can kill certain species of animal on your private property. For example, you can't kill an owl even if it is on your property. Do I personally think it is the best solution? Nope. But it is certainly possible for the government to set restrictions without outright owning the property. Furthermore, it is possible for it to be permissive of those few people who choose to live a subsistence life style pursuing it on what are suppose to be "public" lands. 

Fair enough.  (Seven billion hunter-gatherers?  Pfft.)