VGPolyglot said:
psychicscubadiver said:
That's not even the main thing. How will infrastructure and living conditions remain at any reasonable level? Their are jobs, whether risky or unpleasant that people do not want to do. Without a currency system in place (or a brutally oppressive government like the Soviet Union under Stalin) how do you induce people to do those jobs? Heck, how do you induce peopleto do even regular jobs when it would be quicker and easier to use violence to obtain what they want? Ancom has never worked historically. Even the hippies communes based along those ideas fell apart typcially within years.
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As, I said, mutal aid. And violence would not be an ideal option, because it's much harder to become more advanced when you're constantly in conflict. And ancom hasn't worked historically because it was bordered by hostile forces that eventually attacked and overwhelmed them.
crissindahouse said:
Yes, there are humans who care for each other but those never really stopped the humans who are not like that.
What is your grand plan? All good guys work together to stop all bad guys, the bad guys will just stop to be bad because the good guys say it and everyone will work together? We will live all together on the planet and everything will just work well with everyone responsible for himself and his orange tree which he always does get enough oranges from without anyone else taking them?
Common...
Even small villages in a jungle have one or more "leader" for a reason. It doesn't work otherwise over a long time. And if even these small villages with people who are still living like thousand years ago have some people considered to be "above" the others, how in the world do you expect a city with millions of people to function just on the basis of "we all live friendly together and teamwork will do it for us"?
Man, you can get robbed on the street with 100 people who see it and nobody will help you but you think you could work together with them without criminals taking over your area...
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I don't believe that there's such thing is inherently bad people, which is why I said it's more complicated than that.
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What prevents violence? You have not offered any possible counter to that simple consideration. The society you are depicting depends upon all of its members holding utter trust in each other despite the fact that some people will make bad choices. No has to be inherently bad to make a bad choice or to use violence to achieve what they want. If my family were without food or shelter, I would fight or steal for them. And if you want to counter that with the idea of 'mutual aid' then you have to somehow create a post scarity world. Which gets back to my earlier point (which was unaddressed) about how you get people to do risky or unpleseant jobs without some sort of impetus (be it money or coercison).
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So I can't be proud when my brother gets a scholarship or my friend wins a tournament? Pride is more than self-interest. It can extend to whoever or whatever you care about. I am proud of my city, my state, my country when we do something right. And I am shamed when we do something wrong. I can identify with them as part of my group. No man is an island, afterall.
