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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

 

Metroid Prime announcement was one of biggest announcements of E3 despite Nintendo showed just logo, Metroid Prime fans were literally crying after announcement. People now know those games are coming, not they will wait to actually see them.

They said "Game Freaks has begun developing" Pokemon for Switch, but they didnt said "recently" or "just". And for Metroid "now in development" can men do not meant they couldn't working on game for quiet time now.

Lie, my vision of E3 2017. was that they will focus on 2017. games and to promote 2017. games on 1st place, and that they will show at least around two 2018. games despite they are focusing on 2017. games. And they did that, they did focus one 2017. games, they did show two 2018. games that will most likly be realased in 1st half of 2018. and they showed 2 games that could be relased in second half of 2018. or beyond. You are very well aware that I wrote to you multiply times that "focus on 2017. games" doesn't mean they will talk or show only 2017. games.

DKTF and Federation Force doesn't have anything with this situation. With Pokemon Nintendo just wanted to ensure people that Pokemon is in development for Switch after 3DS anancument (we are talking about biggest Nintendo IP), and this announcement was very simple, same goes for Metroid Prime. Metroid 3DS announcement isn't nearly important like Metroid Prime 4 announcement, its remaster of 2D Metroid game, fact that is announced at TreeHouse also proves that.

 

It totaly make sense, but you still dont get it. Pokemon Tournament is announced just before E3, Mario Rabbids is Switch exclusive game with Nintendo IP and its is announced at E3. Nintendo could anancued those games also in January, but they didn't. But that exception was totally different to any other Nintendo console reveal, thats is clear proof and fact that Nintendo is now managing announcements and releases different. They will have Nintendo Direct and E3 where they will announcing other their games for 2018. Again, its doesnt make any sense to be worried about Switch 2018. lineup in middle of 2017. when we already have 3-5 2018. announcements and when we already saw how they managed 2017. lineup with announcements and releases.

"Game Freaks has begun developing" and "now in development" point to recent events.
In MP4's case your own quote shows that Nintendo wanted to let people know right at the start.
Either it's began recently or not. You can't have it both ways.

"and they showed 2 games that could be relased in second half of 2018. "
This is the part i was talking about. There's nothing pointing at this - other than you wishing/believing.
So, yes, until both games come out in 2018, you were wrong.

The question was not if Nintendo wanted to please fans for not announcing a Switch Pokemon game in the ND. Your argument was that the Spotlight reveal was made because of that.
I don't believe that to be the case; i haven't seen any hint proving you right; i even showed you that Nintendo doesn't work that way (used the FForce backlash to show this).

Those non-revealed games of January were the exception. The same way Mario Tennis for Wii U was revealed at E3 2015 and launched months after.
Exceptions.
E3 showed you that they reveal (always have) more than just what's coming in the short term.

I don't know if there's reason to worry, but i do believe there's no reason to say all is fine when they have only announced 3 (confirmed to be) 2018 games.

friendlyfamine said:
DélioPT said:

Their isn't a problem with 2018, but there can be.
First, Pikmin 4 isn't a garanteed 2018 title. Nintendo hasn't confirmed and the "it's been in development since 2015" means nothing. 
We don't know how the development process is going, and if i'm not mistaken, Starfox Zero was in development since the Wii days and it came out in 2015.

Out of the blue there can be many things but no one knows that.
What we know is that by the end of E3 we have 3 games announced and instead of using their E3 time to announce more games for 2018 they wasted two perfectly good announcements of non 2018 games.

They could fill you with a remake every month if they wanted to. But that's not the point, is it?

I checked Sony's E3 2013 and 2016 conference, and to my surprise, the majority of games shown were for the current year or the next.
I don't know if SOny announces games a few months from reveal or not, but that really changes nothing.

Maybe it's not guaranteed, but I would bet money on it. Pikmin 4 has been known to be in development for what, 4 years now? Strategically, I believe Nintendo refrained from a lot of announcements at E3 ala Pikmin 4 to not overshadow the upcoming "Hey Pikmin". Same reason for not showing a Smash port could be to not discourage people from buying ARMS. Animal Crossing? Easily there will be a Direct later this year discussing the mobile game- and that could be used to build momentum for an upcoming 2018 title. Nintendo have discussed Wii U ports and have not declined them. They said as much that if they'd do it, they're going to supplement it to ensure it's price tag/not screwing Wii U owners.

Nintendo already told us that the E3 was focused on 2017, and they also told us it's only 25 minutes. They have Directs to show games. Many new games have been revealed in Directs and have sold decently well. Take Tropical Freeze for example. It's probably the best one I've got.

Anyway, stop stressing out please. Who cares about first party? At this point all that matters is exclusives. The previous list of games I showed you earlier where all exclusives, except possibly Octopath; the exclusivity is unknown. I'm not even hardcore for Nintendo like you are either.

Nintendo announced Smash for Wii U and 3DS, they announced Metroid for both systems. 
I don't think there's a problem there.

Nintendo says and does many things, but they aren't always the best action, it is what they can do.
It's called PR speech.

My problem with announcing the bulk of their 2018 plans throught NDs is that they aren't the best choice. E3 is: more attention from gamers and media in general.

Who cares about 1st party? That's what drives the Nintendo HW business.
You speak of exclusives... name me how many powerhouse exclusives Switch has from 3rd parties - 'cause that's what sells HW, at the end of the day.