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o_O.Q said:
sc94597 said:

 

" Libertarian socialists believe that a true socialist society can be achieved organically by the elimination or decentralization of government."

 

but that doesn't make sense... maybe if humans were like ants or bees or locusts

 

what stops the individual in such a situation from pursusing their own interests at the expense of the group?

Socialism is defined as "workers or social ownership of the means of production." If individual workers own the means of production then a firm is socialist. If workers collectively own the means of production then it is also socialist. If a combination of the two occur it is also socialist. All socialism is -- is the elimination of wage-labor as the predominate contractual relationship in the workplace. 

If an individual is fine with being an employee working for wages then it is their right to pursue that, and libertarian socialists would not interfere. Libertarian socialists argue that without the state supporting them, these institutions would not be as successful as socialist ones, and people would much rather work in a socialist firm where they can get the full fruits of their labor AND have access to a means of production, than work in a capitalist insitution. Capitalism would not be abolished, but rather outcompeted to where it becomes a very small part of the entire economy. 

I personally am not a socialist. I think that the wage-relationship provides certain benefits to the workers that many socialist ones cannot, and there would be a sizable portion of the population which chooses wage-contracts over socialism, but I do think socialist and capitalist firms would temper eachother in a free-market without the state, and even the capitalist firms would be less hierarchical/authoritarian in their organization structure. 

It seems to me as if the modern state-corporate economy looks more like bees, ants, etc with its hierarchical structure.