How are white people supposed to feel about their own race?

[DonFerrari]

Final-Fan said:

DonFerrari said:

1. And I didn't said it's a 1:1... so do would you say it's a 1:1 relationship between raising wages and % of union?

2. I didn't denied they had good effect, I'm saying what their inner interest is based on their leaders behavior.

1.  Fair enough.  No, although I think the relationship between a union-influenced workplace and general worker protection and benefits is closer than in the other comparison. 

2.  I had the impression that your position was that unions today are basically just out to line their own pockets and do little or nothing to benefit workers in practice.  If that's not your position, then okay, and other than that I'm not even sure where this line of inquiry is going any more, to be honest. 

1. Dunno, we never had the union come into the company I work, but we are very high standard on worker protection. But sure the union had positive aspects on the workplace through history, and also had several negative impacts causing unemployment. Like our "worker rights" that make someone that you pay R$ 1k cost between 2 and 2,5k for you, leaving a lot of workers unemployed because companies can't make the cost match the productivity and validate the hiring, and minimum wage that is above the expected return of that worker (even though the minimum wage is very low and very little of the employees are paid it).

2. In Brazil they do very little. They are more using the unionized people to fight for the party in the politics and collecting money for their own than they do work for the workers. They greatest project for the last year was raising the mandatory tax to subside unions.