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Lonely_Dolphin on 19 August 2016
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Kai_Mao said:

I did kinda expect the other ending of Ash losing. I too thought he had a great chance, hell, this was his best shot. Sure I was disappointed, but I'm not gonna feel like this is the end of the world nor change my perception of the XY/Z series just because of this one episode. Ash fought hard along with Alain and tbh, I don't mind Ash losing to Alain because he was a developed character and he wasn't cheap like Tobias nor incompetent like Cameron. Sure some would point out some of the illogical stuff that happened throughout the battles, but when has that never come in affect in the anime? Pikachu once defeated Geodude with one Thundershock (albeit on steroids sorta). In the end, I'm grateful for watching this series and I look forward to the Team Flare arc.

 

The biggest bullshit of the battle was just how much they hyped up that super mega Water Shuriken, but then all it does is make Charizard flinch. Like, what the actual fuck!? Even Aerial Ace and Cut had a much better effect, and they just showed the regular Water Shuriken (not even the double team powered one) countering Blast Burn. Just pure and utter nonsense.

 

vkaraujo said:

To be quite fair, Greeninja is not a water powerhouse. Ash's never used hydro pump (that i know of) and, without priority, water shuriken is not that good.
The real issue was putting Pikachu's thunderbolt on top of that. Heck, that attack alone should have been enough to cut 50% of Charizard health. The worst is that, due to the cut from one episode to the other, it looked like he might have been thunderbolted twice... That's BS

Goodra was also heavily missplayed by the writers, but considering the way ash beated Aegislash in the prior battle, it was at least acceptable for him to missplay one pokemon.

 

Well, all things considered, Alan is much more battle hungry than Ash. It should be expected for his pokemons to be at a higher level, but still, really bad end.

 

Game logic doesn't 100% translate into anime logic, so you just have to take what happens in the anime as the rules for it. Greninja's Water Shuriken (which gets powered up in Ash-Greninja mode) has been shown to be OP many times, like in this very battle where base Water Shuriken neutralized Blast Burn.

Is he really more battle hungry though? Another thing that really makes this situation shitty is the fact that Ash doomed himself before the league even began by becoming friends with Alain. Ash wanting to battle him and telling him about the league is the only reason he even went, heck he doesn't even care about becoming champion or anything, he's just using it as an excuse to battle Ash. Just thinking about this is so fustrating.

 

Roketan said:

lol nope.

no character development at all. he is still the usual loser and writers don't care about any of the characters. I mean they turned him into a kid again and made him shorter.

This may be the worst anime in the history of mankind at this point in terms of development and writing.

 

You can't lol nope blatant facts. Don't see why one would even be in denial over this, a show can still be bad even if there is character development.