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Peh said:
Nuvendil said:

Also couldn't have been prevented if you made guns illegal cause a guy commited to setting up in some building and gunning down 11 police officers I think is well past the stage of giving a single solitary f*** about gun laws.  These types of crimes are the ones least effected either way by gun laws, but I digress.

 

As for this, it's these kinds of incidents and this "us vs them" and " arm yourself against the police" mentality implicitly and sometimes explicitly supported by certain haymakers, extremists, and "activists" (read "souless, narcisistic parasites") that is causing this continuous cycle of violence that has really become apparent in the past few years.  And the media making huge controversies for views, social media pricks making excessive drama out of some perverse narcisistic need for attention, and celebraties backing up the loons I previously mentioned ((*cough*Samuel L Jackson*cough*) only make it far worse.  Why do you think cops are so freaking nervous on the job now?  Especially young ones that heard about all this crap in the acadamy or their rookie year?  Cops are people and this kinda toxic crap effects people.  Hopefully this particular incident will help shock people out of it as it was a peaceful protest and all these cops and a bystander got shot not by cops but by some civilian prick.  But I doubt it.  All those people I listed at the start of this rant will be out making their rounds and using the very people they claim to represent to stir up ire and tension all for their own ends.  Disgusting situations.

I have to correct myself. This could have been avoided if the cops had a gun.

If you permit everyone easy access to guns and even ones which I question myself in what way do they need those do defend themself, then there you go. You reap what you sow.

But this is not the main problem. The main problem is the badly educated police officers not trained enough.

How to become a cop in Dallas:

"Becoming a cop in Dallas requires that candidates first meet some basic prerequisites. First, all applicants must be US citizens and hold a valid driver’s license. Unlike many other cities, police officers at the DPD are required to have completed some college by the time they apply, substituted only by having served at least three years in the military with an honorable discharge. With 60 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, candidates must be at least 19 years and six months old at the time of application. With 45 credit hours from an accredited college or university and a minimum GPA of 2.0, applicants must be between the ages of 21-44.

Prospective Dallas cops should have a vision in each eye of at least 20/100, no pending court cases, and no more than three hazardous traffic violations in the past 24 months. The DPD also has a tattoo policy, which can be explained by a recruiter.

The first step for joining the law enforcement team in Dallas is to have a preliminary screening interview. Then, applicants must pass a board interview with DPD police officers and supervisors. Following the interviews, a polygraph, psychological and medical exam, and a background check will be performed. Next, a physical test will be administered, which includes a bench press, run, sit-ups and push-ups. Upon passing these evaluations, candidates will attend a 35-week academy, for which they will be paid, followed by 24 weeks of field training."

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/cities/dallas/

So, you can become in less then a year a cop in Dallas? Wow. In Germany you need 2 and a half year at minimum to become a police officer. I don't see german police officers shooting citizens, because they feel like it.

Almost no cops shoot civilians cause they feel like it.  And this is 11 officers shot by two civilians who had the brilliant idea that gunning down 11 innocent cops who did absolutely nothing will somehow make all the bad cops in the world suddenly behave.  Say what you want about cops in Dallas but at least they don't go into a crime ridden neighborhood, round up eleven innocent people and shoot them in hopes the criminals will behave.  In fact, the recent shooting wasn't even IN Dalas.  The cop who shot someone was in Minesota for goodness sake so bringing up the competency of Dallas's police force here seems rather out of place. 

As for why ALL cops carry guns, the way the system works here is that all cops are equipped to be first responders to any call.  If you call 911 and tell them some guy is shooting at your house or a man broke in with a knife, they don't dispatch someone from the station they dispatch the nearest unit.  If your standard police officer was armed with piss all, they wouldn't be too effective in responding to deadly threats.

As for rights to bear arms, not going into that here.  But my point was people like this who want to shoot in cold, calculated measure or in completely crazy way a bunch of people will not care if they are allowed to carry a gun.  The illegal gun trade is there and is accessible to those who don't really care about consequences.  Which people like this rarely due.  Sure, they would likely not go long after purchasing the gun without being caught but the reality is they aren't going to sit on the gun, they're going to shoot people with it. 

Finally,  I never said it was a perfect system and that EVERY city has perfect standards for police recruitment.  However, the generatioin of a mostly entirely artificial "us vs them" mentality is what is making cops increasingly nervous and angry around many civilians and making civilians unwilling to cooperate with and even behave agressively towards police officers.  Which will only make this worse and perpetuate the violence.  Cause police officers ARE people, no matter how much you educate them they are people and this kinda stuff does effect people. 

PS: do your math again.  Years have 52 weeks.  35 week academy + 24 week field training + all the other interviews and examinations = 60+ weeks.  It's not the highest standard in the States much less the world but at least get your complaints right.