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bonzobanana on 10 June 2016
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Netyaroze said:
StokedUp said:
I choose leave, yes it might be a hard year or 2 to start off with while the country adjusts to being fully independent and fully in control of itself but in the long run this presents an opputunity to really make something great of it. Look at Norway, Finland and Sweden, those countries are not part of the EU but do have a deal to do trade and business with eu countries freely and every year those countries are voted in the top 10 best countries to live in every year.

We have a chance to to take back control and make our own rules for our own people.

 Last I checked Finland had the Euro and Sweden is also in the EU.

 

I think the Uk should decide whatever they want. As a German I think the people should have the right to decide. I personally think for the German Economy which is Export based it would be disastrous to leave and the Euro and the EU had many advantages for us. The UK leaving would give UK products a competitive disadvantage if the UK would lose all their EU trading priviliges and I can see this as an opportunity for the German Economy.   

I'm not sure how you've worked that out. The UK has a trading surplus with the rest of the world but a huge trade deficit with Europe and most of that trade deficit is with Germany. Because of this if Europe slaps on lets say a 10% duty  on UK goods and the UK does the same with European goods the UK will benefit from a far larger amount of duty paid to it because of the trade deficit and most of this extra duty will come from Germany. More german companies than any other nation in Europe rely on exports to the UK. We like German cars. A huge number of German firms would need to downsize and some may even go out of business. 

Also if the value of sterling drops then UK exports become far more competitive and the buying power of the pound makes German cars far more expensive.  A german car now that costs £30,000 could end up being close to £40,000 with a drop in value of sterling and additional duty. 

We will become like Australia where German cars are much rarer as they are uncompetitive with Japanese cars. German exports to the UK could drop significantly.

I honestly don't understand how you think this would be an opportunity for Germany. The German economy will contract badly. It will contract more in Germany than anywhere else in Europe. Lets not forget the huge debt of Europe including the UK. 

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/

Europe, the US and many other countries are building up huge debt. It won't be long before Greece, Portugal and Italy need bailing out again and I question whether the Germans will be willing to do that again. Both Germany and France have invested a lot in these countries although I question whether the word invested is really applicable here. It's just a plaster on a gaping wound.

Having a mortgage and a newish car I'm paying for plus being single and financially stretched I will probably vote remain but by doing so I know I'm just delaying the shit hitting the fan so to speak. 

One thing I've learned over the years is the politicians of all countries are some of the most vile corrupt and stupid people there are. The EU project is just another layer of these parasites.