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MikeRox said:
Scoobes said:

I don't understand the democracy argument when our own system is no better. The House of Lords is filled with hundreds of unelected people that can dump any legislation they don't like. And it's not like we get to vote for which politicians end up in the most influential cabinet positions (I sure as hell wouldn't vote for Hunt or Gove to run anything).

With the EU we vote for our MEPs who represent about 10% of MEPs so we have good overall representation. The EU commission that propose laws are made up of 28 representatives and each one is determined by the leader of each country. It's not different to any other civil servant. They can't actually pass any laws without the agreement of the MEPs (who, as I said, we vote for). 

2 completely different scenarios. They're actually opposites.

UK house if lords debate laws proposed by the elected body.

EU MEPs debate laws proposed by the unelected commission.


Though again. We through the centuries chose our system. We did not choose the EU structure.

Is this really rocket science to people who don't understand why the EU is falling out of favour with EU citizens?


I'm really getting sick of remain's blatent lies, when all they do is accuse leave of lying. Newsflash, both sides are lying.

They're opposite, yet still as undemocratic as each other. Not really an argument either way for me which is why I don't understand it. Two systems, both shit. 

And because it's a system that we chose after centuries makes it better? That's terrible reasoning considering we  helped "choose" the EU structure as much as we chose the current British system. I suppose Saudi Arabia having "chosen" its ruling monarchy means its better than these upstart democracies that keep cropping up?

And yes, both sides are lying and I'm getting fed up of it.