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Scoobes said:
the_dark_lewd said:

Voted Leave.

The bottom line is just democracy. I don't want my country being governed by laws made by unelected guys in Europe. The ability to kick out people who make bad decisions, so those decisions can be reversed, is absolutely essential if you want to remain a free country.

As the conservative MEP Dan Hannah cleverly quipped the other day: "If the EU applied to join itself, it would be dismissed immediately for being completely undemocratic."


No-one understands macroeconomics well enough to know. They all feign certainty based on their general worldviews.

Go back and watch various economists debating issues in the past, in cases where we retrospectively know what the outcome ended up being.

I remember seeing a few Nobel Prize winners debating something like government spending after the recession. The US didn't really cut government at all. Whereas the UK did quite a lot. Half of these economists supported 1 policy, the other half supported the other. Now fast forward 5 years and see what happened. UK and US growth are almost identical! It made absolutely no difference what they did.

I don't understand the democracy argument when our own system is no better. The House of Lords is filled with hundreds of unelected people that can dump any legislation they don't like. And it's not like we get to vote for which politicians end up in the most influential cabinet positions (I sure as hell wouldn't vote for Hunt or Gove to run anything).

With the EU we vote for our MEPs who represent about 10% of MEPs so we have good overall representation. The EU commission that propose laws are made up of 28 representatives and each one is determined by the leader of each country. It's not different to any other civil servant. They can't actually pass any laws without the agreement of the MEPs (who, as I said, we vote for). 

2 completely different scenarios. They're actually opposites.

UK house if lords debate laws proposed by the elected body.

EU MEPs debate laws proposed by the unelected commission.


Though again. We through the centuries chose our system. We did not choose the EU structure.

Is this really rocket science to people who don't understand why the EU is falling out of favour with EU citizens?


I'm really getting sick of remain's blatent lies, when all they do is accuse leave of lying. Newsflash, both sides are lying.

RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.