Rousseff impeachment. Any Brazilians over here?

[Nautilus]

taikamya said:

Nautilus said:

First of all, Dilma is guilty of responsability crimes.It is in the laws.After all, thats why the impeachment went through.Not to mention that the pedaladas is a crime, as even you admited she did it.So if its a crime, and if she did it, then she is guilty for it.Simple as that.Other funny thing that you said is that Temer is worse than Dilma.I mean, I agree that he is not the best candidate by far, but how can he be worse than a government that got Brazil to the condition that it is now?(Inflation, unenployment, corruption, and so on).Not to mention that any of Temer acusation has been proven true, and yet you say that he is worse than Dilma a woman that not only has as much charges as he has if not more, but has also been taken away from her duties(in another words, been found guilty from the crimes so far).And for her is all "speculation"?I see a bit of double standards here.

Even if the next government makes not much better than dilmas government, the impeachment is a good thing.First, because its not a coup.Its in the constitution, as far as I know it.Second and most important is that if she is responsible for those crimes( and we have already passed the IF point), she should be made accountable for it.This kind of thinking "But the other ones are worse!So lets just stick to the ones that dont suck as much" is what makes some countries so bad to live in, because you never strive for the best, and just be contempted for what you have.

Yes, I think she commited it, but it's not a crime. Yes, it's in the law, but again, the law is clear and the pedaladas is not a crime. If we are to judge that the pedaladas are a reason for impeachment, 11 governors and many mayors have to be impeached too. Not just that, but Lula and FHC should had been aswell, so this logical reasioning is anything but logical.

Also, Temer as already been found guilty, Dilma has not. I can say that Temer is corrupt, I cannot say  that about Dilma, I said in my original post, I think she probably is. I cannot and will not judge a person without proof. Cunha has been proven, Renan has, Temer has, Maranhão has, Lula has, Dilma hasn't. Based on the linear logic, I can say she probably is, but I'll hold that claim until it's been proven.

Also, in Brazils defence, we don't have a "best" to strive for. The best would be to end this political system and create a new one. However, who's going to? PMDB? PSDB? PT? If so, no good can come of it.

If thats true, and Im taking your words for it, then yes, those persons, those 11 governors and the other presidents should have suffered impeachment.Just goes to show how low Brazil has come.But thats not a justification for Dilma not to suffer one.I mean, she has commited a crime.But you are going to justify that she should walk away free because others have done the same and suffered nothing?Is the world back to childhood, that when you do something wrong, you could do it just because everyone does?So I mean, by that logic corruption should not be considered a crime, since everyone does it right?.....

Dilma has already been taken away from her job, by a process that is supported by the constitution.Conspiracy theories aside, she was already found guilty of those said crimes, or at the very least has some responsability for those said crimes.There is not probably there.

And really, as a citizen, thats your answer?That you dont have a best to strive for?I mean, I know the situation there is critical to say the least, but if you go on saying things about who is right or wrong, but you go on and basically you admit that you gave up on the country and is fine with the (im sorry for the word) shit that is happening there, I can only feel sorry for you.You dont need to overhaul everything at once.Take baby steps.Fix things one at a time.Things dont change from night to day.From what I read, even if you make all the correct decisions, it is going to take years to fiy Brazil problems, and even then there will still be many work to be done.With your line of thinking, any country would never improve