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tiachopvutru said:
rocketpig said:
I disagree with this thread on many levels but I'll only attack one point:

Some games are art. Team ICO's games are a perfect example. As was Half-Life. And I expect Bioshock to follow in their footsteps. Hell, even Tetris could be argued as art in some form or another.

What do these games have in common? Immersive, complex, and engaging gameplay. It doesn't matter if it's on the Wii, the PS3, or an old damned Commodore 64. As long as there are developers out there attempting to challenge the way the world views video games and how you interact with those games, there will be art in this industry.

When it comes to art, story often doesn't matter. Neither does style. In fact, the only damned thing that matters in art is user/viewer/reader reaction. Without it, nothing is challenged. The greatest painting in the universe wouldn't matter for dick if no one ever saw it, touched it, or thought long and hard about it. People who claim one thing is art but not another are usually shallow, pretentious, and terribly boring. And this is coming from a professional illustrator who spent most of his formative years studying various forms of art and applying the principles used in his own art. Art can be drawn from anything. Art IS everything. The visceral feel is what matters; not style, story, or canvas.

Remember one thing: art is completely subjective. What you view as a masterpiece is crap in another's eyes. Just ask me some time what I think about Picasso. I could write you a 20 page paper on how he influenced the art world for the worse. That doesn't mean I'm right but it also doesn't mean I'm wrong. Art is subjective. It's completely up to the individual.

 Well said ... so that pretty much sums up to: The PS3 doesn't need to win this gen

What I meant was that no one needs to win anything for art to progress in this industry. Someone will pick up the slack and move on with great games, whether *you* think they are great or not. Someone will enjoy them.

And frankly, that's what art is all about. The end consumer. It may not be you in every case, but it all works out in the end.




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