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Cobretti2 on 18 August 2015
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SvennoJ said:
Cobretti2 said:
some more spanners into the argument.

Why are set top boxes with recording functionality legal to sell? Isn't that pirating stuff you see on tv to a device you have at home?

borrowing original content from a fried to enjoy that doesn't belong to you, is that not stealing revenue from sales to to original IP owner?

They are legal to sell as long as they don't autoskip commercials... Actually I can't find what came of that court case https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120525/04185919074/tv-networks-file-legal-claims-saying-skipping-commercials-is-copyright-infringement.shtml

Recording to watch later is legal, distributing that recording is not. I guess this describes that but I'm too tired atm to read legal

Not copyright infringement:
(11) the making imperceptible, by or at the direction of a member of a private household, of limited portions of audio or video content of a motion picture, during a performance in or transmitted to that household for private home viewing, from an authorized copy of the motion picture, or the creation or provision of a computer program or other technology that enables such making imperceptible and that is designed and marketed to be used, at the direction of a member of a private household, for such making imperceptible, if no fixed copy of the altered version of the motion picture is created by such computer program or other technology.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/110


As long as you don't steal it from your friend you're in the clear. Right of first sale doctrine and such. You can lend, trade or sell your legal copy.
http://www.generalpatent.com/copyright-101
Also too tired to read through that :p


So if someone downloads and does not distribute is that not the same as my set top box recording by your definition?

The worst part is trying to buy old shows for example that were made in your own country. You email the network and they tell you we won't produce it to dvd or to television ever again. Yet some country across the world happens to release it on dvd go figure lol. 

I honestly thing there are far too many grey areas and they wasting their time fighting it all the wrong way. The music indsutry did it the right way for the medium it provides and how people use it. Small files that sync to phone and can go offline mode when you on a flight.

Steam to a degree for PC games has helped a bit.

Streaming services  fro movies and tv series I don't think is the answer as people want HD quality but internet speed does not allow. Also  it requires you to have an internet connetion. DVDs and BLuray are great but like if you travel around for work alot on flights etc you not going to take a movie with you on disc or stream it over mobile network at $$$$ costs to data plans.  They need to distirbute legal mp4 files where people can watch it on their laptop, phone or plug it into a smart tv on a usb when you away for work.