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OfficerRaichu15 said:
Seece said:

Do your research, from 08 onwards the Xbox division made profits (on year was as high as $1.3b with little else in the division making bank) it's not known if 360 overall made a profit, but for years the Xbox division was profitable.

You shouldn't bandie around quotes like that unless you can back them up with cold hard numbers.

want cold hard facts

then here you go

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129463-Microsoft-Loses-2-Billion-Per-Year-On-Xbox-Analyst-Says

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-07-huge-xbox-losses-hidden-by-patent-royalties-says-analyst

so much for the xbox division making profits since 2008

They're not cold hard facts, that's journalism (and it was debunked and shat on yonks ago). Come to me with numbers.

I actually have figures for that division and Xbox losing $2b a year is an impossibility.

Rock Sherlund does not like Xbox and has an axe to grind.