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Y'all should agree to disagree now, IMHO the truth is somewhere in the middle there. Yes, there have always been casual gamers, yes, the Wii had more casual gamers (or weirder, non gamers buying one as a workout machine). Anyway, one might say that a bit of the xb1s failure can be traced to most games being just fine on the 360. Of course the same is true of ps3, but Sony has managed to convince a hugely larger % globally to go ps4 early. Everything spells trouble for xb1 though, the install base race makes things massively easier on the 1st place entrant, even more so when it has a reputation for the best hardware/multiplats.