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spurgeonryan said:
Captain_Tom said:
It's not a horrible idea, but $15 is crazy. It should probably be ~$10.

Agreed. Make it a slow process. Over time. As I keep saying. Cost of living adjustments would be perfectly fine every 2-5 years.

 

spurgeonryan said:

I would love to help all the poor of the world. But it is just to do one thing. Make the middle class become poor. When prices skyrocket and we do not get a salary increase you will see us on the street. The ones who worked hard to scap away at life and at least get to middle class.

I started out getting miminum wage, worked my ass off and in one year became a high level manager. It is not that hard! When I was in the military ( a choice for poor people) I worked my ass off and rose in rank faster than anyone in my unit.

Being poor and without an education is not an excuse to be lazy and expect the wealthy of the world to give you a free ride. I did not expect it. Never once got any Welfare from the government, and never asked for any free raises. Kids, yes I have kids a well. So that is not an excuse either.

This is not too put poor people down. I am just breaking free myself. I would love it if all the world was roses and buttercups and we could just give everyone a million dollars and we could all live in mansions. But the fact of the matter is, you can train anyone to do most minimum wage jobs in about an hour.

it seems like you're not so much offended by minimum wage or the idea of raising the minimum wage, but rather by the actual number "15$".

Psychologically your words suggests your own current wage is not much higher, and that you're mainly annoyed because you feel that raising the minimum wage to a level not much below your own wage kind of degrades the perceived value of your own work (and ultimately, your person). You tell yourself that you'd "love to help all the poor of the world", but actually, you despise the poor, telling yourself that they're poor for their own fault because they're lazy or whatever. So much of your self-esteem is based on the fact that you managed to escape the ranks of those disgusting poor and unskilled minimum wage workers and became a "hard working" "middle class" "high-level manager" that you're terrified by the sheer prospect of again earning just a little more than the official minimum wage. You're mainly afraid that the poor might be catching back up to you, just when you thought you had forever escaped them.

I don't mean to insult you personally btw, I believe that most people consciously or subconsciously think like this, especially in the US, where this is a major part of the cultural indoctrination, which is heavily influenced by calvinism. I might be wrong of course - but if you try to prove me wrong, please honestly post your actual wage per hour and what kind of "manager" you are (pretty much everyone is called a "manager" these days - the word has kind of become a means of giving people with low salaries the impression that they're doing important and respected jobs. Over here for example, they've already started calling housewifes "family managers"...)