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forevercloud3000 said:
RenCutypoison said:

Of course they can be ranked, but with a high level of subjectivity. You say FFXIII has broken combat, to me it's one of the best gameplay I saw in a modern RPG. It is fluid and challenging even against mobs, you can't just go and press the attack command while doing something else against mobs. The leveling system was interesting and permitted a nice customization, depending on your playstyle. I hated FFVIII tough.

But any post IV FF have some common ground : 

Great OST (anyone saying One winged Angel never listened to Dancing Mad <3 (half joke))

Great design, especially on monsters and environement, while character design is subjective (I hate both amano and Yoshida, while I am a big fan of Nomura's work)

The game revolves around a good/great storyline in a complex universe, with elements of both Scifi and Fantasy (And some prefers the emphasis on fantasy (X), or scifi (XIII) )

Big budget and impressive tech in their time (FFVII = 3D, X = facial animation, ...)

So despite everyone having preferences, these game have a lot in common and the same staff behind them, wich makes them all at least good, objectively.

 

And popularity has nothing to do with being a great game or not. Most FFVII popularity came from the fact it was the first big 3D RPG. Impressive tech can sell a meh game.

A good example would be Rayman Legends. It is objectively better than Origins : Same gameplay, design but better Res, animations, and above all content. It didn't prevent Legends from a big fat flop, due to bad advertising and bad release date.

I really wish people would stop using the "Oh it must of been your first if its your favorite" excuse. Its not nearly as wide spread as many want to think. And even if it was many's first.........does that somehow invalidate its appeal to them? I saw and played FFI way before I got FFVII, I couldn't bare the graphics of those games back then. When I tried my bro's friend's PS1 FFVII I was in love with it from jump. Didn't fully understand it till years later tho, after I had played almost all of them up to X.

I also played Persona 3 before P4, and I most assuredly prefer P4 to the former.Does it play on a lot of what P3 built? Sure, but its so much more fine tuned in P4 that its a better game. I don't think most people's opinion is predicated on which they played first (other than maybe graphical appeal).

Now to the subjective argument..........

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One Winged Angel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dancing Mad...........and every other boss theme in the entire series. to say otherwise is not only blasphemy but complete nonsense :P lol

I have rarely liked any individual game's full soundtrack, usually I pick a few favorites between them. FFVII carries most of my favorites. Aerith's Theme, Battle Theme, Motorcycle Chase Theme, Jenova Absolute, O.W.A.

I also really love Kuja's final Fight, Zanarkand Theme, FFXIII's battle theme, Jecht Final Aeon

My point here wasn't that it was the first you played, but that it featured an impressive tech at the time, and that gave it more attention it should (A lot of people played it while not being interested in J-RPG). Just like I wouldn't have been interested in Uncharted 2 if it hadn't the best graphics on ps3 at the time, cause I have no interest in TPS.

What other J-RPG series do you play ? (FF and Persona aside)