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Mensrea said:

You being contradictory. Your saying if we had free will, then the description of God doesn't work. That's what I'm saying. You can't have your cake and eat it too, the fact of the matter is that in the Judao christian God is said to have:

1. Created the humans. Crafting the characteristics that make them intrinsically "us".

2. Knows every thing that will come to pass.

 

Based on that description, some of us are made by God simply for the purpose of failure. You can try to ramble about God being not bound by time, but you can't just throw out all logic just because "it's God lols".

That's the thing.

1. He knows all the characteristics about us, but it doesn't mean he can predict our choices. If the bible is cohesive, then it stands true that we actually have unpredictable free will, no matter how much God knows about us, he couldn't predict our actions.

2. He knows because he was there, not because he predicted it.

It's not "Just God lols", it's a set of either-ors. You can't say we have free will and say that God predicted our actions, that's pure bs. So that's the kind of thought process that needs to be used, not "it's God lols".