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g911turbo said:
chapset said:
nope, they are not betting on the casual who are long gone (probably dead) or on some sort of gimmick as their main selling point and the pre-orders are at record high plus they have plenty of games for the first year

I'm guessing what you wrote is sarcasm based on the perenthesis.  

 

I'm sure that Microsoft and Sony are NOT looking at the Wii U and saying "hell yeah!"  That fact that it is performing VERY poorly is probably some reason for concern in their boardrooms, even if just for economic reasons.  400 and 500 dollars is still a lot of money.

Also, if by casuals you mean someone not used to using dual analog standard controllers, so be it.  They are looking for alternate control means (why the wii was successful).  That's a lot of people.  And just because they are playing Candy Crush today doesn't mean they won't be playing Mario U tomorrow.

Preorders are ALWAYS high.  Even the Wii U was.  Lots of returns due to no resale market.  I have 5+ Xones and PS4s on preorder.  Case in point.

Finally, many of those "plenty of games" are going to be available on 360/ps4. 

 

That being said, I don't think either of the unreleased systems is doomed.  I just think their sucess is uncertain.

The ps3 was 600$ at launch yet it never did sub 50k a week (and that was without Europe the first few months), the xbox 360 shared games with the ps2 and it didn't do as bad has the wii U. Neither the X1 or the PS4 will struggle to get third party games because they didn't release a console for themselves only like Nintendo did, they actually listen to the demands of the third party devs. The ps4 and X1 are using a controller scheme that his proven, no gimmick, Nintendo got lucky with the wii but their luck ran out with the wii U. I don't know why so many Nintendo fans hope for the industry to collapse but last year the gaming industry generate record breaking numbers  and it's only getting bigger not weaker.



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.