Shinobi-san said:
walsufnir said:
Shinobi-san said:
no you are missing the point.
At the end of the day these consoles are limited to their theoretical output. They can't do miracles and go beyond that. And yes im making it out to be more simple than what it is, but i assure you these consoles are very simillar. And we absolutely can compare them...and while 50% seems like a lot i dont think its that much. We only really sea difference when you looking at 5x - 10x the power and even then the perceived difference is up to opinion. Not to mention they have the exact same compute units and CPU! In other words every single flop is comparable.
Not to mention they have the exact same compute unit and cpu...with the same linear performance. Everything else really just changes the efficiency. The 5 billion transistors is down to mostly the esram as far as im aware.
I swear to you all the little add-ons sony and MS did are pretty much meaningless. And most of the changes MS did make, unfortunately were not positive changes. These topics have been discussed to death on the beyond 3d forums and other tech forums. And no, not everyone is a Sony fanboy. Its pretty much unanimously agreed that Sony went with the better hardware...i think thats pretty clear now. And yeah when im looking at power im mostly talking about the GPU compute units but why is that?
The GPU is ~90% of the compute capability in both machines! Thats how these consoles were built,same with the WiiU btw which was also made by AMD. If you not willing to admit that these consoles are comparable then i wont continue the discussion further because really...these consoles are as similar as consoles will ever be thats for damn sure. If you not willing to compare them based on the theoretical output just because it doesnt suite you then i dont know.
Have you ever wondered why the technical discussion has cmpletely died down in the tech forums? Do you really want us to whip out the diagrams and stuff and go through everything again :O...i dont think anyone is interested in doing that. And goodluck going on any forums and starting a discussion on next gen hardware now that everything is already known.
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No, you are missing the point. I know the hardware specs, of course. But again, you don't seem to understand that there is a difference between system-performance and theoretical limits. I told you several points that influence the system-performance and you can't argue with that. I don't know if you are not able or not willing.
I will make it even more clear: Let's take a hypothetical WiiU2 with the same APU the PS4 has. Sadly, the system itself has a very bad audio-chip so the cpu has to do a lot of work for audio-processing. Even more bad, the OS running takes enormous 4 cores to run the OS beside games. This means the remaining 4 cpus need to do the processing of audio and the game-mechanics. On paper, you'd say it's as powerful as the PS4 while *system-performance* is not. You get the idea now? I don't know how to explain easier.
Again: System-performance is not "we put every spec together and that's it". And don't swear on forums, it's useless here :)
Really, I have to fiddle with big systems every day. Custom hardware, generic hardware, obscure hardware. If we would judge system-performance only by specs we would have bought very much crap. This doesn't mean the ps4 is crap, of course.
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But thats just it the PS4 also has dedicated hardware for sound, streaming etc.? I won't argue further but fortunately I think its pretty much unanimous on all other forums about the hardware of next gen. You welcome to go against the grain but kinda pointless. Like i said these topics have already been discussed. I dont see how anyone who has any shred of knowledge on PC systems will say that the systems are not comparable and come to the same conclusions that everyone has come to.
Edit: In case you think I'm lying about the PS4 dedicated hardware components, here is a link
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/191007/inside_the_playstation_4_with_mark_.php?print=1
The dedicated components in the Xbox One is slighlty different but has similar features. The xbox One also has dedicated hardware for video compression and decompression. The similarities are endless. Its almost like the same people made it. If there are other major differences that free up resources then please let me know but as far as i do know theres nothing else.
And in case you missed it but i also disagree with Crysis when he said the PS4 is much more powerful than the Xbone. But you cant ignore that there is a difference and you sure as hell cant say they arent comparable. I mean people were comparing PS3 and 360..and that was super hard to compare.
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Ok, you still don't get it, let us finish here. It is not your fault you can't follow me, it is possibly mine because I can't make it any more clear to you. I don't say PS4 isn't more powerful but the ratio is still not that what the actual hardware-specs tell us - I explained thoroughyl why. You are obviously no technician but that's no problem, we are at least all gamers.
Sorry I couldn't tell you or share my knowledge enough with you. I think this can only be taught in a good way personally to make you (and others, of course) understand.
