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theprof00 on 26 April 2013
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JayWood2010 said:
kitler53 said:
JayWood2010 said:
kitler53 said:
JayWood2010 said:
It has already outshipped the X360 if I remember correctly. It just hasn't sold through as many from the retailer side of things.


are we sure?  what was the shippment differential?  MS shipped 1.3M this quarter so how many does sony have to ship to pull ahead?  i was thinking sony was behind by just under a million and i don't see sony shipping 2.3M this quarter.

I'm not sure to be honest but i thought Sony was at 77m shipped and MSFT was at 76m shipped.  I really am not sure. 

no no, "that guy" (forget who made the quote) said it sort of off the cuff mid quarter.  so MS was at 76 and sony was at whatever it was at the previous quarter plus part of a quarter plus whatever rounding went into that guy's head.  BUT... considering how long sony has been combinding ps2 with ps3 it was sort of a big deal because we don't really,. "know".  gaf has their estimates and from what i remember their best guess was ps3 was behind by ~0.9M at the end of last quarter.

..or something.  there is a lot of FUD in ps3's numbers.

I forgot about them combining the PS2 and PS3 numbers.  It is hard to say who has shipped more than who then.  They have both been doing great recently though for as old as they are so that is a plus :)

This is what troubles me though.

3DS 2,862,179 (-80%) 30,431,365
PS3 2,440,344 (-78%) 74,225,278
X360 1,663,117 (-83%) 75,238,563
PSV 685,201 (-80%) 4,621,308
WiiU 682,148 (-70%) 2,938,657
Wii 652,283 (-87%) 99,331,420
PSP 443,443 (-85%) 76,222,331
DS 402,544 (-88%) 153,941,393

We have GFK saying ps3 is down 14% and 360 down 16%.
We have NPD saying ~22% each.

Those two territories are the biggest ones, so why do our numbers for 2012 up to this point in time read 3.2m? That's a full 35% drop. Both consoles are likely undertracked already by a good 250k+ which should put both shipment numbers at around 1.9m.

The only problem is that traditionally, as of march, 360 has always had 1.3m on shelves, and ps3 had ~500k.

I think both consoles are definitely undertracked by a large margin.... Possibly even close to 1m undertracked.

Sony said that as of Nov 4, 2012, they had shipped 70m. But they sold 71.8 million as of dec 1....ugh this math is killing me.

Both undertracked, possibly by 1m.

ship vs sold for 10' and 11' were 6.5m shipped vs 6m sold.

Naturally, this should put ps3 shipments as of dec 31 2012, at roughly 74m, with 2m of which occurring in the first month. So, 4m from nov-dec. Our numbers say only 5m ps3s were sold in oct-dec. I'm guessing ps3 was hugely undertracked this past holiday, likely by rest of world figures not tracked by gfk, npd, and mediacreate. Especially if tretton is saying 77m shipped as of feb 20, which, with a sell through in jan and feb of 1.2m, would mean an astounding 4m on shelves somehow.