Games are not art!

[Soleron]

GamesBond said:

Soleron said:

GamesBond said:

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I can't agree with that. Just expressing something doesn't make it qualify as art.

You don't have to agree with it, look up the definition, that is what it is.

And who decides what 'the' definition is? Could it be wrong?

Whether games are art is subjective based on what you think art is. It's useful to have a common definition of, say, a table, but people's likes and dislikes will not match up no matter how much you argue.

Who decides the definition? Lets not start down the path of questioning established definitions because then the conversation might get too philosophical. 

"established" by WHOM? A good answer is, by a rough and undirected agreement of those using the term. And not by a dictionary, is the important part.

 

let me give you another scenario. You walk by someone's pathetic attempt at painting a sunset. You look at it and ever part of you is annoyed that this is considered anything. Then another person walks by the same painting and begins to get misty eyed. "This brings me back to my childhood" the person says with a smile. Now you have a dilemma , you have dismissed something as art that clearly is art to someone else. So either that person is wrong for feeling something and you let them know that, Or you realize that the painting is art that you don't like. 

Or, you realise that they think it's art and you don't think it is and that isn't contradictory and it we should instead focus on what art means: how can we make beautiful things, is it worth doing so, should art be protected speech under a First Amendment like law, and so on.

Real life example: I went to a south Florida museum of modern art. One exhibit was literally just steel wool. I could not believe what a piece of crap it was. Literal steel wool on a podium. While I hate it and mock it. That piece was made, bought, donated, accepted and displayed. So someone enjoyed it. 

The viewing of art is subjective but not it's definition. 

You are claiming the definition is objective? If that was so, arguing against it would be irrational. And yet, any definition you could present has obvious weaknesses. And there isn't one clear choice.

Now, the interesting part. You went to a museum of art? Do things have to be in a museum to be art? Games are in art museums.