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richardhutnik said:
fauzman said:
richardhutnik said:
enditall727 said:
richardhutnik said:
I they they delivered really good today, but I see a blanding of the future. I am wondering exactly what Microsoft is going to deliver different. It looks like both consoles are going to become more twins than less this coming generation, with the WiiU again being the underpowered oddball. I am expecting both Microsoft and Sony to come out at the $500 price point, and possibly see really sluggish sales in this economy. Look for Sony to go the XBox Live route and charge for online play also, even if the features one up with Microsoft is doing. I seriously doubt Sony offers streaming play online for free.

seems like this is more of what you want to happen

What price point do you think Sony is going to end up releasing the PS4 at?  MAYBE they go $400 if pressured by Microsoft.  You think $400?  Even the Wii U is selling at a loss and the higher end system, with like 4x less the Ram, is $350.  The going to 8 GB of memory, and what they are picking for it, makes it more expensive.

The design approach is very much like a PC, and following the trends laid down, and is what you saw with the XBox with integrated memory.

As for the charging for online, you see Sony is now doing Playstation Plus, and they do want to charge for it.  There has been buzz about Sony wanting to charge and planning to charge for its online service.  What I saw today does look like something they would charge for.  They probably throw in Playstation Plus for free, if that would make you happy.

What I write is not my wishing, but what I see in front of me and what has been discussed.  Will see in the coming months what they do.  They didn't mention that the online feature would be free to use either.  They discussed investing in it.  They are discussing value proposition here, not cheap.

Here is one article that talks about Playstation World:


Maybe they do keep online play separate, but I see that hard pressed to do so, if they are integrating what they plan, into the experience, which is like you see with the likes of OnLive, watching people play and so on.

I disagree with most of what you said. I think they will be very carefull not to overprice their console especially as MS Im sure will try to underprice. I dont see them going above $400 regardless of the cost of the console similarly to how they willingly took a hit with the Vita in order to make it more competitive. I also dont see them charging for online play - they have made a name for themselves in offering free MP compared with the Xbox. I dont see them doing away with it especially as it could give them an advantage with this next gen (assuming there are no differences between the ps4 and xbox720).

How much red ink do you want Sony to bleed here?  That is the issue with the $400 price point.  And when I said $500, I am speaker the gamer's system, that is really what would be.  They could have a scaled down version hitting $400.  And I say this excluding what Microsoft does.

In regards for "a name for themselves for free online play", I discount that with the rolling out of Playstation PLus.  Do you think Sony doesn't want to get extra coin from offering online features?  Considering what they are offering, why would you be surprised if they charge for it?  They are seeking to do it better, with everything you get in PS+.  I would expect, for the annual subscription fee (look for it to be less than what XBox Live is), look for them to also include access to the entire PS1, PS2, and PS3 library with the subscription, via streaming the way Gakkai (however it is spelled) is done.  It is moving up the value chain, adding more, pricing it cheaper, and getting the ongoing revenue.  Considering how much you see the Playstation fan camp talking about how much of a value Playstation Plus is, beefing it up even further is going to be spun as an even larger bargin.  And Sony will likely have a case to argue it.

Pretty much, if Sony was really opposed to charging people additional fees on top of what they have now (purchasing the system and content) they would not of rolled out Playstaion Plus.

There is no way they will have the console at $500. Not wanting to follow the ps3's footsteps where the console was way too expensive compared with its couterpart, there is no way in hell it will be above $400. 

You are right in that they could offer a paid subscription for the streaming of ps3/ps2/ps1 games and perhaps this will be tied to ps+ and this is what will most likely happen (imo), but they will keep basic MP online free. They have done this with the vita and no doubt they will keep it free for the ps4.