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KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:


Like i said before, eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. This was the concept of law that was very popular on Middle East, not just among abrahamic followers, and its not exclusive to any religion. If they slaughtered their wives and children, their own wives and childeren had to be slaughtered too. I am not saying I agree with it, but that was the accepted ethic back then and it wasnt ony exclusive to a jewish religion.

What about Abraham. It was totally moral for him to be willing to sacrifice his son, should god have commanded it, regardless if he did it or not.

When the crusaders rallied to march aganst antioch, they shouted "God wills it" becasue that's what the pope told them. The motivation of the 911 bombers were rewards in heaven. Considering how these people viewed the world, their actions were logical.

If god today ordered you to kill a schoolbus full of children, and you are 100% sure that it is god who ordered you (because he showed you heaven or whatever) would it be logical for you to follow his command?

If God, (by abrahaic definition) is a creator of life and heaven, has a perfect, unlimited knowledge and morals, and he actually did spoke to Abraham,then yeah, everything he says is moral and should be done. It wouldnt be only illogical not to do it. But you're making some really dumb and outrageous hypothesis to make your point, try to get more intact with reality. And God didnt allow for Abraham to kill his son, so I dont know why you brought this up, when you're trying to make a point that God, religion=evil killing

As for crusaders, they can claim to have done it the name of God and Jesus, and yet their acts still went directly against God's and Jesus's teaching. Christ actually predicted an event simmilar to the Crusades happening and he clearly denounced all the participants in it. Nowhere does it say in the Christian bible that invading and plundering lands are God's word. 

You see , the difference between Stalin and crusades is that the Stalin's ideology actually supported his acts while the crusaders didnt. And thats why anti-theism (the strong form of atheism) is billion times worse than any abrahamic religion, and it should be treated as such

First of, anti-theism is as much the extreme form of not believing in a deity as anti-semitism is the strong form of not being jewish. Also, even if you are anti-theist like Christpher Hitchens for example, there is still no moral justification for killing people.

What you admitted in the bold part illustrates the point I'm trying to make. You can have perfectly normal people, and with religious motivations they can commit horribly immoral acts (as in causing carnage and misery) and inside the framework of their faith, it's perfectly moral.