Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
I don't see a problem with this at all. I mean nearly everyone agrees Palestine should eventually be a state - what is the problem in elevating their status to observer state status in the UN? |
A) What's recognized is Fatah. Not Palestine. In 2006 Hamas won a majority of seats and shoud of taken control over the Palestinian government. Even in the recent elections, Fatah struggled despite Hamas boycotting said elections. Does it really make sense to recognize a government the people haven't chosen?
B) The above, except backwords... Fatah is unpopuar right now. As it fades further eventually they may need to let Hamas control Palestine. Either that or to prevent it... a full out western dictatator. So it either allows Palestines recognized government to be terrorists. Or to prevent this forces a dictator on the scene. Much eaiser to deal with Hamas while they're official.
C) It's not a state. Everyone agrees it should be a state... at the same time... it's not. I mean hell. There are states that currently exist that don't have UN observer status yet are far more deserving.
Like say Taiwan.
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A) It's the Palestinian Authority which has been recognised. Which Fatah controls through rather dubious means. Nonetheless the distinction between party and state still exists.
B) So you're saying that we should only allow states that we like to exist?
C) I agree Taiwan is even more deserving. That doesn't make Palestine undeserving. Palestine is, in my opinion, very much an occupied state.
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A) We'll see what happens if Fatah ever loses control.
B) No. Observer status makes it far more unlikely taht the Palestinians end up with a state they want. Israel has many more excuses to NOT negotaite with a UN observer status Hamas, then a "terrorist" state hamas... or even a situation where they negoatie with a "Puppet" official government while hamas pulls the strings. Once they get UN observer status that's near impossible.
While it increases the chances of a Western puppet. Or more accurately a puppety the west is willing to deal with. Less likely now then 2-3 years ago but still a worry.
C) Except... again, it's not a state.... and something like this should have set guidelines.
