UN Upgrades Palestine to Non-Member Observer State

[MrBubbles]

Mr Khan said:

MrBubbles said:

Mr Khan said:

MrBubbles said:
i could call my toaster a state, but that wont make it a state (i dont actually own a toaster; i hate toast)

International recognition is what defines sovereignty, at least in this day and age, and the UN is the only body that can dole that out in any way that has meaning, due to universal UN membership aside from a few quasi-states like Taiwan, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transdniestria, Puntland, Nagorno-Karabakh, and Kosovo.

doesnt change the facts on the ground that it isnt and cant even be a state without a peace agreement.  

Sure it can. North and South Korea are states without a proper peace agreement. Something similar occurring with India and Pakistan.

the peace agreement itself wasnt the point.  it was what goes along with the peace agreement.  it isnt not a state because of a piece of paper, but because it isnt a state.  with everything settled it could be a state.  (those countries you mentioned are wholly different even...nothing alike at all to this matter...makes me wonder...)