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I'll go paragraph by paragraph. What you said is in quotes, my response is after, not in quotes, apologies if it's hard to read.
"It certainly is NOT BS. It is true that on most issues Libertarians are more in line with the Republican party outside the social issues. The Democrats are not counting on or need libertarians to win they need only their base as Democrats do usually outnumber other party's in voter registration and most Libertarians such as Ron Paul voters will not vote for Obama. Ron Paul HIMSELF decided his best shot at becoming POTUS is/was running as a Republican. For good reason too. They have more in common."
Yes, it most certainly is bs. Given how third parties are treated and have been treated in the past decades is outrageous. The whole Libertarian being more in line with the Republican party is very debatable, and if so, only by a tiny margin. On economics, republicans have by in large voted to increase debt level spending, more funding for social programs, and moer overseas bases (which btw, is the bulk of the budget). Certainly republicans like to campaign as conservatives, but when it comes to voting, they're just as bad as democrats... at least the democrats are for the most part honest about it. And the reason why Dr. Paul ran as a republican was because he ran as a libertarian in '88 (I believe), and saw how corrupt the process was, so he tried to work from the inside, which I will give you, he did have more of a chance running as a republican, than a democrat.
"The issue isn't whether Ron Paul got the nomination or not its the blind devotion to the man himself by his supporters is what galls me the most. He was allowed into the primary process went to all the debates and was presented before the voters in the primaries and he lost. Being bitter about it and folding your arms and saying "I'm taking my tricycle and going home" is not the way to gain respect for the Libertarian 'movement'."
Except it's not "blind devotion," it's the fact that he's been saying things that everyone has been plugging their ears and screaming loudly about, only to find out that he was correct about pretty much everything...that's why he is respected. People who are really the blind supporters are both the people who voted for Obama thinking he would close Gitmo, stop the wars, and axe the Patriot Act...note of which he did. And of course the peopel that vote for Romney...just because he's not Obama, who has been on every side of almost every issue since he entered politics (aka a flip flopper).
People are bitter because of the way Dr. Paul was treated overall, not only by the media, but by the rnc, who openly discriminated against Ron Paul supporters. So no one shoudl be surprised, that after being alienated, that RP supporters do not want to vote with an organization that openly ridiculed him, so it's common sense, that they would not want to give them their support, because clearly, they were not vying for it, until now lol.
"Like I said I like Gary Johnson and think he did a great job in NM but he doesn't have the appeal nationwide (yet) and unfortunately he isn't inline with the mainstream. Sorry Libertarians but not everyone wants strip clubs near schools, legalized drugs etc. Nihilism, isn't a mainstream idea. "
"As I posted... Romney is no Libertarian but wasting your vote on a sure loser just to prove a point is suicide. Who do you think will appoint Supreme Court Justices more in line with Libertarians and the constitution? Romney or Obama?"
lol neither
"Here read this....http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/18/Time-for-Ron-Paul-Fans-to-Support-the-Constitution"
very poignant article on why Libertarians need to: 1. Vote republican and 2. be more active within the party to help bring it more inline with your own views. Just understand that Libertarianism could also use some reshaping as well. There are many questions Libertarians have trouble with just as the other parties do (its just the Democrats are so far away from our Constitution there really isn't any hope for them)"
Haha I actually read that article before, and thought although probably well intentioned, still misses the entire point. Most of my response has already been stated above.
Saying Libertarians need to be more active is ludicrous, they were PLENTY active within the party, while the party itself openly treated RP supporters unfairly (and Johnson supporters to a lesser degree, when he was running as a republican), and cheated them to have a less-better hand. And you are correct to say Democrats are so far away from the constitution, but what you left out is republicans as well. Don't forget, who introduced the unconstitutional Patriot Act, who helped enact the NDAA (which Romney supports btw), the way Republicans have been voting, they're just as guilty as democrats for a lot of the crap we are in. And don't get me started on Paul Ryan, and the fraud that he is, lol.
