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kennyrester said:
zgamer5 said:
kennyrester said:
zgamer5 said:
sad im late to the party to help kowenicki out! amazing match, amazing comeback, and im so happy manure united got sent home empty handed.

on other notes, what people here dont understand is that MONEY DOESNT BUY YOU TITLES. If it did, then the dominance barca had the last 4 years in la liga and in europe would have never happened, because big spender real would have crushed them every single time. football is about being a good team, believing you can win and keeping on playing till the last minute. city came back from an 8 point gap btw them and man u to win the title in amazing fashion. one month ago i told myself that man u were champions but fortunately it didnt happen.

im a chelsea fan and i would have never expected us to reach the champions league, especially because we beat the barca which always have that 12th man advantage on the pitch.

this season i learned that no matter what, if you believe in your team and if you are willing to fight and cheer them on no matter what you can do anything, and a great example of that is montepelier wining ligue 1 in france when two seasons ago they were in ligue 2.


Barcelona have the biggest wage bill of any team in any sport in the world.

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/01/revealed-the-worlds-best-paid-teams-man-city-close-in-on-barca-and-real-madrid-010501/

City, Chelsea, United and Arsenal, the last four teams to win the title, are the highest in England, in that order.

Barca spend 15 million a year (that number is from an artcle I read a few years ago so I'm not sure about its accuracy today) on youth development, a bargain considering the value of the players they've produced but still a lot of money. In the last few years they've bought Fabregas for 30m, Villa for 30m and Ibrahimovic for 40m plus Eto'o, so 65m according to their valuation. Feel free to correct me on any of those numbers, they're just off the top of my head. Point is, they spend a shitload of money and they have to to compete in Spain and Europe.


Barcalona did spend a lot of money, but its nothing compared to what madrid spent getting benzema,kaka, ronaldo, and a couple of other players in one year to win nothing the following season. Also barcalone has the biggest wage bill due to its teams performance over the last years.


Barca have the biggest wage bill because their players are able to demand it. If they didn't pay them so much they'd go to a club that would.If I'm understanding you correctly in your last sentence you're saying their wages are so high because of performance related bonuses. I don't know the exact figures but I'm sure that even if they won nothing this year their wage bill would still be one of the highest, if not still the highest, in the world.

Anyway, surely Madrid's success disproves your point? They spent money, as you point out more than Barcelona, now they are the best team in Spain. Of course it takes time, hard work and a good (also very expensive) manager too, but I'd argue that those factors pail in comparison to the importance of money, and I think that has been proven time and time again, by United, Chelsea, Blackburn, City, etc. Look at Newcastle. Great team this year, worked well together, Pardew voted best manager of the season by the LMA. That got them 5th place, 25 points off the top, behind four wealthier clubs.

My point is due to the sucess of barcalona the players can demand higher wages knowing that they will get them. If barca dont give them the demanded wages another club will because they played so well deserving such wages. And yes they do get a lot of bonuses by winning titles, especially the champions league. 

Madrid suceeded 3 years after they had the players which formed their "dream team" this prooves that money doesnt bring titles, it helps by bringing in the talent in order to do so, but ultimately its about being a team(and it took madrid 3 years to reach that point).

I agree with you that money is a factor to winning, but it has always been like this, and i believe that hard work and dedication are greater factors.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good