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RE: The whole "nature" thing -

A lot of things occur in nature, it's for us to categorise what behaviours are and aren't acceptable. You have to assess an activity by the damage or benefit it potentially causes for other. For the most part humans (or animals in general) have a rough idea of what's benefical inbuilt (whether you believe this comes from evolution, god or other).

I think there are three rough categories.

Bad - Murder is an activity that may happen in nature, but generally it is bad for the population and so it is not seen as acceptable.

Good - Charitable activities also happens in nature and they are beneficial, so we tend to accept and promote these.

Irrelevant - Certain behaviours, good or bad, shouldn't really provoke a strong response because they don't affect anyone else directly.


Homosexuality should be in that last category. In an ideal world it shouldn't really warrant a strong response from other people because it doesn't particularly have positive or negative effects for them. It's like getting angry at someone because they like apples and you don't, it's silly.

So, I don't think saying "murder is also natural" is a good argument at all, because it's not that simple.