Prove that evolution is what actually happened.

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nightsurge said:

Where did I ever try to say that we should deny evolution or scientific theories? Like you said, they are not mutually exclusive and I don't see any problem with either.

Also, while you may have had supposed good reasons for your thread and replies, you poison your posts with snide insults towards religious people or religious beliefs. You flame them by calling their god a "master puppeteer"; you call religion childish, old fashioned, naive; even in this post you add a patronizing tone by saying "treating it with kids gloves"...

Religion is far from immune to criticism, everyone should be able to see that. You keep asking someone to prove what cannot be testable. You can't "test" an act that defies logic, so really trying to critique both Scientific and Religious theories in the same manner is extremely shallow and foolish.

But religion IS irrational, it IS naiive.  I've read plenty of books on the topic, as well as engaged in heavy debate with doctors, scientists, and historians about the validity of the Bible, and the one thing everyone (except one person) I talked to about the subject who also had the credentials to be qualified to talk about it agreed on: People believe in religion because they want to, not because it's rational.  they do it because that's what everyone else is doing, they do it because that's what they grew up believing, they do it because they want hope of an afterlife, they do it because that's what makes them happiest.  In spite of all the evidence we've picked up over the years supporting evolution, pointing out how the things in the bible are impossible or at least the product of a misunderstanding or a loss of translation, people STILL want to teach intelligent design in school.  People STILL kill one another over their religion.  People STILL judge, hate, and control others based on their faith.  

And the worst part is...pointing this out is deemed unacceptable.  it's considered insensitive, rude, ignorant, or on forums it's flamebait.  this thread proves that as conclusively as I can imagine.  It's okay (and even encouraged) to question science, to demand proof or evidence, to re-test theories and put each idea through a rigourous battery of tests, but when you do the same of religion, you get hostile responses.  They claim you're being insensitive to their faith, you're causing a fight, you're judging them or repressing them.  This is just ignorant.  Do you understand what "kid gloves" are?  it means you have to treat them like children or they go on tantrums.  You have to beat around the bush and play nice, you have to be sensitive and blunt honesty is not encouraged because they can't handle that, and this thread is evidence of that.  

Look at the whole thread...I didn't tell people not to believe (while I certainly think such a thing is foolish, but I GENERALLY keep that to myself), all I did was ask for supporting evidence to support their belief, and I got a litany of posts telling me I should be banned, that the thread should be locked, that I Was being insensitive, and that I Was flamebaiting.  I've had people call me ignorant, I've had people call me stupid (not the same thing, contrary to popualr belief), and I've had people threaten me with hellfire and brimstone over a QUESTION.  not an accusation, not an attack, an honest question, a demand for proof, and yet that is not accepted. 

Religion is criticism proof.