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sethnintendo said:
Porcupine_I said:
sethnintendo said:

I am pretty much in the same boat as you guys.  While I think there was some involvement; I am not sure how much.  The government could have simply known it was about to happen and let it happen (aka Pearl Harbor).   The USA has been driven into many wars under false pretenses.  Vietnam War, 2nd Iraq War, Spanish-American War are all wars started because of misinformation/ false attacks.  Just going by history it doesn't prove too good of a track record for the USA.  USA citizens have been lied to many times to justify going to war, yet the public keeps falling for it.  It doesn't help much now that the media is pretty much in bed with the Pentagon.  They drool over whatever information the Pentagon gives them without second guessing.  The drum beat for the 2nd Iraq War was insane.  It was obvious the USA government was going to go to war no matter what and the media was right behind him.  Once the war started you had famous "reporters" on Fox News pretty much saying it is time to shut up,you are unpatriotic, etc.. if you are second guessing the war.  When in actuality they were the most patriotic people for wanting to make sure that the war was right to send USA troops there.

let me just state for the record, that our boats are not even in sight of each other.

Fine by me.  Wouldn't you at least agree the USA has been duped into going to war a decent amount?  I can think of at least 4 wars myself that USA had no business fighting in but based on certain events we were drawn into them.

i tell you what, i agree with you that the USA has waged war for something else then the official reasons given to the public, if you agree with me that for doing that it is not nessesary to prep a skyscarper with exlposives to make it fall down after it has been hit by airplanes.

“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’