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ilovetogame said:

i'm not disagreeing that wii controllers are better than kinect. kinect is severly limited, but it is a seriously cool piece of tech. i just don't see how nintendo could bring out this hugely popular system (the Wii) with the innovation of motion controls and then they just don't update this innovation at all for the next system. that would just be lazy. consumers had 3 main complaints about the wii. bad online, last gen graphics, and their innovation (motion control) wasn't precise enough to create the game experience that gamers thought they'd get when the wii was first announced. those three things led to third parties not focusing on the wii. its not because they would have to build new games for the wii, they were willing to pay many times what it would cost to make a wii game to make ps3 or 360 games. a fraction of that development cost would have created a wii game. i mean its also because the gamemakers viewed wii as a casual console so they didn't even want to try to put the time and money into serious games on the wii cuz they thought there was no chance their games would sell well.

i love the wii, games like wii sports are super fun. but, its no secret that the wii controller isn't very precise at all. then they came out with motion plus, which admittedly i've barely used, but while it definitely seems to make an improvement on the precision of the controller i still don't think its up to par with what gamers are looking for. i mean from what i hear the ps move is maybe a little more precise than motionplus. so how would nintendo not take the oppurtunity to update their motion tech to a level of precision that could make motion control much more viable in lots more games? i mean it would be seriously lazy and terrible business for nintendo to rest on their wii technology. now maybe they won't also include kinect style motion capture tech in their new system but at the very least they need to make a more advanced motion controller. obviously microsoft and sony are gonna be putting out an advanced motion controller in their next system to go along with a standard controller, why would nintendo not prepare at all for competition from the other next gen systems??

an HD wii is not what people want. sure that would make sense a couple years ago if nintendo was just trying to compete with the ps3 and 360. but with their new system obviously they are trying to compete with the next gen consoles. so they need updated motion tech to do that.

Your missing my point... maybe I'm not being clear enough.

My OP states regarding the controller that essentially Nintendo's next system will have TWO controller options and both will be in the box.

1. The more standard controller that is enhanced with the new touch screen.

2. A wiimote plus/nunchuk.

Plus, all existing wiimotes will be compatible.

This means they will continue to motion offering as well as a return to the same controller base so 3rd parties will be able to port games easier.

One of my underlying themes is that 3rd parties dissed Wii as it was too different. By keeping the same base as other consoles, 3rd parties have a common base to work with and then can do minor changes to take advantage of specific unique features. This way Nintendo can have a highly successful system AND 3rd party support to push the system higher.