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DonFerrari said:
dsister said:
greenmedic88 said:

Do we need a chart to make the whole updated firmware concept easier to understand? Older firmware uses more system RAM. Older games have less system RAM available to run. Newer firmware uses less system RAM. Newer games written to run on newer firmware may use that now unallocated system RAM to run optimally, or in some cases run at all as they won't run with less system RAM.

This is just one of many reasons for updated firmware and the reason why any game requiring updated firmware (whether it's to make use of freed up system RAM, security measures, whatever; it's irrelevant so long as it runs) would have the updater on the game disk. Nobody's liable because an end user can't run new software on an older version of a no longer supported (any previous firmware) version of the OS.

Disagree? Then reference a case that shows how any new software written for Windows or Mac OS for example, must run on any previous version of an operating system with the idea that Microsoft or Apple is legally liable if it doesn't.

Ok, yes, the firmware released hs changed the lanscape of the PS3. But, if someone supports the PS3 better then Sony it should be within your rights as the consumer to switch to them. If someone gives me the ability to play PS2 games, run otherOS, better media capabilities, English patches for Japanese games(ToV is getting one, or so I've heard :)), and even games that are only playable on cfw. Whereas Sony only seems to be taking away features. Who do you think I'll be going to? 

Yes, It's nice and all to go yelling at these people calling them cheaters, thieves, and pirates. And cheering as Sony is trys to financially ruin their lives. I hope you have fun on consoles that are tied to one company next gen... I'm just glad you aren't a fan of Operating Systems. Would hate for you to call foul when someone tries to bring an alternative to it...

Your hypothetical makes no sense. The PS3 is a gaming machines(more now then ever). PCs are upgradeable, MS can't tell people to support every operating system they released. And you fully expect for your operating system to become out of date and no longer play PC games. Not so for the PS3, it's sole job should be to play PS3 games. If it can't do that then it fail 


Sony can't prohibite people from creating CFW or using them... but your claim of Or you use Sony newer FW or you won't play the games would be invalid.

You do know updated firmware comes on disc to? So if you wanted to keep otherOS support you have to stop playing new games.

If someone is supporting PS3 better than Sony so why don't you ask them to release the updates for you to play your new games... and of course as PSN is a Sony property you also can't ask to use other people support and play there, so ask this better supporter to create an Online Community...

If any hacker have really done that how would Sony prosecute them??? Or why would we discuss the cheaters and hackers in PSN?

Where did graf hack the psn or cheat in games. Is it mentioned in the lawsuit? ( i have not read this one)

You must keep one or other you can't expect Sony to do what is better for you the way you want and if they don't you hack your PS3 and keep complaining about Sony, if you are using CFW you are no longer a Sony Customer.


as far as  i know he never hacked the psn or pirated games so what are you on about? Again I would apreciate any links of sony sueing anybody that has hacked the psn or pirated games. Not these two who have only hacked their ps3 and showed others how to. i do not know much about graf but from what i understand that is the case. So are you actually on their side? you post seems to say so.