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Vetteman94 on 14 October 2010
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cool8man said:

The DVD:Blu-ray ratios aren't even telling the whole story. We don't know what percentage of sales are shifting from DVD to Amazon/iTunes/Zune/Vudu/PSN/Blockbuster. You can buy movies from your damn cellphone now, there is no way that DVD/Bluray can compete with that.  Walmart and Best Buy are going to have little incentive to sell physical discs when they are bundling their own movie stores (Vudu/Cinema Now) into all of the electronic devices that they sell. Same goes for Amazon.

Well as of the first quarter this year, Blu-ray's growth was 3 times that of DD.  Blu-rays revenue for the first 2 months this year were higher than all of last year for DD.  So it looks like Blu-ray is competing quite well. 

All the rest of your post is nonsense, can you still buy Music CDs in Best Buy and Walmart?  What about Amazon do they still sell CDs?

Nonsense?  Are you kidding?  When I was a kid, my local mall had 4 dedicated music stores.  Now, there are none, and there is only one store that even sells a range of CDs (excluding the Hot Topics of the world), and their CD section is always shrinking.  More importantly, I worked in book/CD/DVD/Video Game retail for 9 years, and every year the
music sales went down.  Every year.

Claiming that CDs aren't dying off because you can still buy them in stores is being willfully ignorant of the industry.  If you are old enough to remember what a real music store looked like before Napster hit the net, just compare that mental image to the pitiful, shrinking, neglected music sections in stores that just no longer care about the industry because it's not bringing in the $$$.

Better yet, try to find a single music store, a dedicated music store that doesn't sell a bunch of other media, just CDs, posters, T-Shirts, whatever.  Try to find one of those in a mid to high rent mall/strip mall.  I'll save you some time . . . you won't.

The downfall of the music store in malls had more to do with competition and pricing than dwindling CD sales. With internet sites like Amazon and B&M stores Wal-Mart, Best Buy and the now defunct Circuit City, offering better prices with the same broad selection of titles available,  thats the reason why alot of your music stores in malls shut down.  But if you knew anything about the industry you would already know that.  

As for your last point,  I did fine 2 music stores at the 2 malls nearest to my house.  SO I dont kow what you are talking about

OK, so I know this argument is several weeks old, but this thread only gets the occasional update, so what the h.

People spent far less money on CDs across the board, which crippled the industry.  If you understood the industry, you would know that Best Buy, Walmart, et al sold "loss leader" CDs, but that their selection, short product shelf life, and product knowledge was vastly inferior to actual CD stores, which is why those stores still existed, until the bottom dropped out.  It didn't hurt the big boys becuase they were never really making money on the CDs in the first place, so they switched to other product.  "National Record Mart" couldn't exactly switch from music so easily, and well, that's the result.  I'm really not going to waste many more of my own words arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand just how badly the music industry, and especially physical media sales, have been hurt by mp3s, so here's a wiki quote:

"In the 21st century, consumers spent far less money on recorded music than they had in 1990s, in all formats. Total revenues for CDs, vinyl, cassettes and digital downloads in the world dropped 25% from $38.6 billion in 1999 to $27.5 billion in 2008 according to IFPI. Same revenues in the U.S. dropped from a high of $14.6 billion in 1999 to $10.4 billion in 2008. The Economist and The New York Times report that the downward trend is expected to continue for the foreseeable future[6][7] —Forrester Research predicts that by 2013, revenues in USA may reach as low as $9.2 billion.[6] This dramatic decline in revenue has caused large-scale layoffs inside the industry, driven retailers (such as Tower Records) out of business and forced record companies, record producers, studios, recording engineers and musicians to seek new business models.[8]"

"Digital Sales Surpass CDs at Atlantic"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/business/media/26music.html?_r=1

"Last year was terrible for the recorded-music majors. The next few years are likely to be even worse."

http://www.economist.com/node/10498664

Knopper, Steve (2009). Appetite for Self-Destruction: the Spectacular Crash of the Record Industry in the Digital Age. Free Press. ISBN 1416552154.

Well I wont get into the fact that your qoutes contradict what you are saying.  And you still dont refute my point about the pricing and competition part,  since that is what really drove those companies out of the market. 

But, Explain how this is going to affect Blu-rays?   Since that is what this thread is about and what the arguement started as?