leo-j said:
What I find pathetic is how people generally develope an expectation just because X artist is popular, out of the blue 90% of the posters here around a year ago said "She can't sing, She's manufactured, She doesn't write music" because she is a pop artist.. You don't realize it because you don't follow pop music as hard as I do.. Before lady gaga, you were right to categorize all pop musicans as manufactured/not being able to sing/not writing there music. She has made the entire pop industry work 10 times harder than they used to. They have all stepped up there game to keep up with this women. You have majore fucking bands and artists like DAUGHTRY, PARAMOORE, 30 SECOUNDS TO MARS, GREEN DAY, and more pay tribute to this women, it's not that I like her, it's the fact she has clearly had impact on music. I'm not even joking here, you guys may not even notice it because you guys don't care, but I honestly have noticed, before her DANCE/TECHNO/POP music did not exist on mainstream radio, all of a sudden christina aguilera changes her entire fucking look and sound, a year after lady gaga's "take over" year. Usher is doing techno, T Pain is doing techno, DR DRE is doing techno, AKON himself has said she has flipped a switch and changed things. If oyu listen to mainstream music, you can't deny her appearence has caused a huge shift.. and there is a reason, she has fucking talent. |
I'm responding to the part I bolded and underlined:
Are you saying that about the Beatles, Michael Jackson, U2, and Depeche Mode, huge international mainstream pop successes that are still covered and loved decades later? I can name dozens of mainstream popstars that can have #1 songs, videos, and albums, and sell out stadium shows all around the world, and all of them I'd consider "artists" who are not manufactured, they can sing, and they can write their own music. It has nothing to do with pop, and nothing to do with mainstream.
David Bowie and Prince are the ones who made the entire pop industry work 10 times harder. It is due to Bowie and Prince (and eventually by MTV, Billy Idol, and Duran Duran) that all pop stars have to be sexy as hell, and sing, dance, have innovative fashion, make-up, hair, tours, and videos. Before them you could actually get by on just being a great singer/songwriter/guitarist like John Lennon or Bob Dylan or Johnny Cash. They never had to dance or get a wacky hairdo. But now music is a visual industry. You buy sexy wallpapers of your favorite musicians, instead of albums. Bowie and Prince created the modern singer/dancer/actor/fashion icon/everything mold, and the pop industry slowly killed itself trying to keep up with Bowie and Prince. Finding somebody who can naturally do all of that at once is extremely rare, so they have to MANUFACTURE them now. What you do is hire a dancer, and teach her how to sing, because it's cheaper than hiring a singer and teaching her how to dance, and because they'll look better naked. So we're left with Britney, Christina, Gaga, and whoever else.
Here are the people who make Lady Gaga's sound. The studio finds these guys to make her sound, so all she has to worry about is wacky lyrics and wacky hairdos and kissing Katy Perry 'cuz like ohmigod she's a girl and like that's so gay and crazy! The Fame Monster had SIX PRODUCERS. She shops around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Fusari (He also wrote for Will Smith, Destiny's Child, and Bone Thugs.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedOne (He also wrote for Backstreet Boys, Brandy, Enrique Iglesias, and New Kids on the Block.)
Remember Wet Wet Wet? Their song "Love Is All Around" was #1 on the UK charts for 15 weeks straight, until several radio stations actually banned the song, and the band got so sick of it they stopped selling it. Nobody has touched that record. The closest were "Bohemian Rhapsody" by Queen, and "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley, who both hit #1 for 9 weeks. Remember how we all still love Wet Wet Wet 20 years later? So much more than Queen?
TL;DR: Haters gotta hate.
