Should Nintendo launch in 2011-12 starting the next gen with monster power?

[vaio]

Mazty said:

vaio said:

Mazty said:

Did you purposely ignore my main point? My main point was that the wii audience is not hardcore gamers and therefore not a sustainable one if Nintendo realise another wii-like console. People argued the wii is good for gamers. I then said the wii is not good due to the pad latency, which unfortunaly I can't get any figures for so a unsubstainited point this moment in time, and that the wii has no genre defying games at all.

You have claimed the wii is for gamers and has genre defying and intuative development over the PS3 and 360. I asked you how. You have yet to answer. SO either answer or don't bother at all as you seem to be trying to avoid telling me how the wii is for hardcore gamers considering the pad is generally worse for many genres, whilst none of the games have made any  impact on the hardcore gaming industry.

I have ansewered this with an example with fps games but you just ignored it, you still havent proven how the Wiimote is generally worse then a normal controller. So you can start with stop ignoring my answer and prove how its worse.

So either back up your claims and tell me how the wii is for serious gamers, or my original point stands that the wii is not, and therefore nintendo will have to do something very smart to entice the casual gamer to buy their next console as that gamer is not bothered about hardware or game quality.

I am too tired to go back and see the whole argument so why dont you post a quote of my claims I havent answered and I will answer them for you if I still havent as far as I know I have and you just ignored it.

 

While you are at it show me a relevant survey that proves your claim that most wii´s are collecting dust.

"Wii owners do care about graphics but not at the expense of gameplay" & "whats more important is gameplay innovations and games wich is why Wii is winninig"

I have answered that but you ignored it and I gave you an example of FPS games here is some more: Driving games is another, Dancing games like Just dance is another gameplay innovation, point and click games, Silent hill games use of the wiimote is another gameplay innovation, tennis games, golf games, baseball games, table tennis games, puzzle games like bloom blox, balance board games, shaune white snowboard game, fitness games.... 

I have shown how the wiimote and poor hardware of the wii makes gameplay worse as the AI cannot be nearly as advanced as on the 360 or PS3, and the wiimote gives less control than a pad due to turning (pointer going off screen), less buttons etc. Also in most games graphics are key to making the game more immersive and believable such as any simulation game (sports, racing etc), fps draw distance, RTS' etc.You havent shown anything but you are claiming alot show me some proof and i will respong to this and also Metroid, RE 4, Call of duty games proves you wrong about the wiimote being worse and the pointer off scren comment, Mariokart shows you how immersive a steering wheel controlling is more immersive then a controller, any golf, tennis game or bowling game, table tennis game shows you how much better simulation becomes with a Wii controller and soon the move controller. Ofcourse AI cant be as good as on 360 or ps3 they are stronger hardware but if it´s programmed well enough you still have a more then good enough AI. Less buttons for the most part is irrelevant s alot of button movements are mapped to motion. Wiimote has 7 buttons commonly used for gaming xbox controller has 8 buttons used for gaming and you can map motion to some actions if done right it´s more immersive then button pushing.

Plus what gameplay innovations have wii games had on game genres other than "waggle the pad to move up" etc?

Stop digressing and answer your claims from many pages back.

Now how about you show some proof to backup your claims  with a relevant survey that most wii´s collect dust or are you just talking out of your ass as you did with the 180ms lag?