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jetrii said:
WereKitten said:
@jetril

As a comment to your OP, something I brought up in another thread though this seems more technically-oriented:

The 1:1 of the Wiimote and WM+ is orientation only (3 degrees of liberty).

The 1:1 of the Sony external camera+wand system is orientation plus positioning tracking (5 or 6 degrees of liberty, not sure about Z axis)

Both the wiimote and Sony wand can detect X,Y, and Z axis movements as well as rotations. Everything the Sony wand did can be done on the Wii Motion Plus. The EyeToy was just used so you can see yourself, it did not have any other function than that. 

Where are you pulling this stuff off?

The Wiimote has an IR camera for pointing and 3d accelerometers, thus it can't detect its absolute positioning if not using the IR. When not pointing towards the led bar, all you have is 3 angles with respect to gravity direction or 3 accelerations. The Motion plus gyroscopes only make those 3 angles more precise. The software can try to integrate the accelerations - if WM+ is present to subtract the gravity- , thus "sort of" computing a 3d position, but it will need to be corrected every now and then by using the IR camera or errors will accumulate.

The EyeToy was not just used "to see yourself": the XYZ absolute position tracking of the wand from the camera was clearly used. See here for an analysis of the patent application Sony submitted, regarding the tech that is probably being used.

Take for example the two-wand manipulation of virtual building blocks demo-ed on stage. You can't do that continuously and precisely with Wiimotes or WM+ unless you restrict yourself to keep them pointing at the screen all the time, in which case from each you still only have 3 positiong degrees from the IR camera and a roll angle (around Z axis). Not the whole 6 degrees of freedom.

Edit: thanks to av36 for really useful and in-depth details. This confirmed what I knew about Wiimote and EyeToy+Wand setup, and I learned more about Natal.



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