vlad321 said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Okay, I'll play the devil's advocate just for you.... let's go through the checklist:
Palestinian Authority> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Hamas> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Syria> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Jordan> Their king supports Israel behind the scenes (but nearly ALL of their citizens still do not recognize Israel's right to exist... and outwardly their king has to be critical of Israel to prevent his overthrow)
Iraq> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Saudi Arabia> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Yemen> Still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist
Would you like me to keep this up, or do we understand each other now? The Arab world still wants to "Jews driven into the sea". Nothing changes... they hate the Jews as much as they did in 1948. The only difference is that they are not naive enough anymore to think they can just walk up and beat the Israelis in war...
The arab assault now is called the "Palestinian cause". Don't make me bust out 500 quotes from the Arab leaders talking about how much they hate the Palestinians too... because you could fill a book with what they say. The Arabs have never given two-craps about the Palestinian isssue... they simply follow the doctrine of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Let the Jews and Palestinians kill each other, and you take out two birds with one stone.
That's not propaganda... that's what they say with their own mouths. So please, don't ever assault my intelligence to think that I simply read the news to get the truth. I actually have ears to hear, and I listen to what the enemy says from their own mouth. I don't have to rely on Western "propaganda" because the Arabs have always been all-to-happy to wear their true feelings on their sleeves. They all are happy to announce that they hate the Jews, and they want them ALL out of the middle east... so please, do tell me how this is propaganda lies?
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More and more countries are obviously starting to recognize Israel as time goes on and on, here's an image of the relations of countries with respect to Israel in late 06 :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/c0/20080619115529%21Israel_relations.png
Now here's the same map 2 years later:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Israel_relations.png
Red states means that they don't recognize Israel.
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Right, like I said, Jordan's "official" position is "relations" with Israel. But the people of Jordan still hate Israel to their core... and as we all know, the monarchy of Jordan is always barely holding on to their power, year-after-year. Palestinians still make up the majority of the population.
I put very little faith in simply the leadership of a country "accepting" one's existence. Because we all learned the lesson from Iran. The Shah of Iran was VERY pro-Israel... and made not secret of it. The people overthrew him, and literally, overnight, Iran became an ardent enemy of Israel.
The people is where is the power is. When you show me an Arab country where the people largely accept a Jewish nation, then I'll have hope. But right now, virtually 95% of all Arabs spit of the existence of a Jewish nation in the middle of Pan-Arabia. But the Arab nations are all still printing anti-Semitic "beak-nosed Jews" cartoons that depict Israel the way that the Nazis did... I put no faith in such a people. Once they change their hearts, then I'll believe in peace. Otherwise, I promise you that wars will continue in the middle east.
