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I just had a really big post ready for you to read but I accidently closed the window. URRGH hate it when it happens.. Anyway, I'll try and bring most of it back in. What's wrong with dual layered discs? Most 360 games are dual layered dvds (DVD9) and they don't have any problem. But even when you take dual layer out you're still left with 25 against 4.7 (DVD5). Can't you see that this space is there for a reason?? Sony thought about it from the start. Blu-ray is for HD games. MGS4 is just the start and if we go by your assumption (15-18 compressed) then it's more than plausible to think that in 2 years time games will fill 25-30 gigs of the BR disc. And in 4-5 years it's gonna get to 35-40 gigs... And dare I say it, in 6 years it's gonna fill it up to the max. And what do you suppose those extra gigs are used for? More content and expanded graphics.. That is, a better gameplay experience. If Microsoft doesn't include the HDDVD drive in every 360 now, they're doomed... And the Wii.. Is NOT, I repeat NOT, next-gen... The Wiimote is the Wii's seller, but it's easily compared to what the Eye-toy did to the PS2's sales.. It sold, It sold good and fast, but it was a fad. The lack of mainstream games will drag it down, year by year (for 2 years) because seriously, who plays these games?? EDIT: "Does it matter if the PS3 outsell the launch of the xbox360 when the xbox360 is ouselling the PS3 now?" YES! Obviously! Simple math, if x outsells y for every month and y had a year start, eventually x will pass it. Things that sell consoles: Games, movies (If said console can play them) and gimmicks. And obviously Games are the No.1 seller, movies afterwards, and gimmicks are last. The Wii has family/party (No mainstream) games, no movie playback (AFAIK. correct me if I'm wrong) and a Wiimote as it's main gimmick. It's also small and cheap, but they don't really affect sales, do they? In short terms, the Wii wins. The 360 has mainstream games, DVD movie playback, and absolutely no gimmicks whatsoever. The PS3 has mainstream games (More in quality IMO), BR movie playback, and HD and the tilt sensor as gimmicks. Plus they're getting vibration back, but that's old-gen, and something all consoles share. It's silent, it's more powerful.. in the long run, It wins! And the long run counts.



Planning on getting a PS3 sometime in July-August.