Just for clarity (and thanks for reading my long reply in turn).

 1 - we're in agreement

 2 - perhaps it wasn't your intention but you did mention 'superior'  - doesn't bother me personally but I know others will respond negatively too it and thought I'd point it out.  It's best when calling out others fanboy attitudes to carefully avoid anything that could be misconstrued in your own use of words.

3 - Well implemented Wii controls are indeed fantastic - although to be pedantic I will note it is impossible IMHO for even the best implemented Wii to match the precision of a mouse for input : it simply does not have the ability to register fine enough movements and the act of holding it in your arm will introduce further tremors.  This would only really matter in a fast paced MP FPS and I only mentioned it in the same light as 2 above - pointing out that no single console or input device is the best in all circumstances.

4 - the title didn't bother me personally but I can tell you its not a well chosen turn of phrase.  The proof is in the responses of others who barely read your post as they latched onto the title and went off ranting about that.  The fault is partly theirs but again as advice, when you have good points take care your title doesn't have any inflamatory or easy to misinterpret words to avoid this happening.  Desperate is a very strong word and care should be used with it.  Again, my intention here is advice not a personal reaction.

5 -  this is an interesting thread but I'd say your title is not quite as accurate as you're defending it to be.  For example it doesn't really include anything about the review situation you fairly mention and which I agree with.  But of course everyone uses their own turn of phrase but I think the evidence, as touched on above in point 5, is that the title is not being read as intended, which is a pretty strong clue that its not achieving what you seem to want - it is eye catching though, so perhaps that makes up for it!

6 - thaks for your views on purchasing.  I think when we compare consoles this generation it is vital to understand that right now no one console offers everything for everyone and that is part of what's making things so interesting this time around.

the audience of a review is a hardcore gamer.
the review is good for the hardcore gamer.
If you read the review and judge based on it, chances are your a hardcore gamer.
Why complicate things? so, lets say brawl is better for casual gamers than counterstrike or something. the reviews targeted towards hardcore gamers...

Dude, the amount of word twisting you are doing is outright mind boggling. I have trouble forming an argument not because you're making any real point, but because I am finding it impossible to track down where in the thread you've drawn your conclusions from without winding up with my head up your ass, cause that's the only place I'm managing to find them.

*1 - No, I wasn't, I don't know where you got this from, I was reffering to people who are stupid enough to believe that a 10 rating for a game is proof that it is better than other games with lower rankings. The part about scores being used to try to compare consoles uses ALL scores, or at least a range of scores, say 7-10.

*2 - Other scores exist besides 10, just FYI. 10 is just a number that establishes a standard from which to work from since it is the highest score possible, sort of how it helps to use black and white when comparing shades of gray.

*3 - Well, taking a look back, I've apparently been convincing some 20+ people who have actually taken a step back and realized that this thread isn't about GTA IV, something like 80% of the unique users who have posted in this thread? Unless there's someone with the username "no one else" that is also being convinced by this thread...

You do have a good point, but that's still exclusionary thinking. There's a new audience, and this new audience has the potential to be bigger and more infuencial than the already existing audience. the opportunity is there to adapt to the new audience while still retaining the old audience, but if that opportunity is passed up, it makes it more likely that the new audience will eventually replace the old audience.
The attitude that you have to be either casual OR hardcore is actually making people focus on one type of gaming advancement at the expense of the other, when what would make a really great game is to have both of these advancements in a game.

I have to agree with this. We certainly wouldn't see anyone reasonably intelligent making a thread comparind, say, GTA4 to OoT and saying one was better than the other. The person would just realize the games are of two completely different genres, and cater to two completely different audiences and leave it at that. There certainly wouldn't be a 3 page flame fest where at the end the poster runs off because he is tired of being told he is wrong. No one mildly intelligent would ever do that, right?

I don't think anyone understands that this game has been near perfection since GTA3 came out. Why people want to take this as an attack on the Wii is beyond me.

No, HD consoles don't NEED GTAIV to be a huge hit. Its a huge hit because of what it tries to deliver, and successfully delivers on. None of the reviews say "man, the Wii so can't do this." Its a review on the amount of content, the attention to detail, the superb graphics, the plot, the fighting system, and characters of the game. This game is just that much better than the previous GTA games, so why doesn't it deserve a 10/10? If you aren't going to give it a 10/10, what could you POSSIBLY blame that on? This game does nothing wrong.

I think this is another push for the Wii to be legitimate and important to the gaming world. Its a casual only console, and its popularity is justified by its software lineup. Everyone here knows it deep inside. Take away motion controls and just add a standard rumbling controller and I doubt anyone here would really think the Wii would be in the top position. The PS3/360 just have better games and GTAIV is the result of more processing power and years developing to perfect an already nearly perfect game.

I wouldn't think mario fans would see this as a perfect game. But clearly the millions upon millions of people who bought this game first day do believe its worth all that so I don't understand the issue. A 10/10 to me means the game succeeds above whats expected in every aspect of the game. Anyone who plays the game (who actually likes the series/genre) will tell you that this game blows your mind from start to finish. Its not perfect, but can any game ever be perfect for everyone?

Theres no conspiracy against the Wii. In fact, no one cares about the Wii. It's there, it sells a lot, but its proven that its not a threat to HD gaming since records have been smashed all throughout this generation by all three consoles. GTA isn't some secret plan to take down Nintendo. It just turns out that while Nintendo dominates console sales, Rockstar has crafted the best game of all time. Nothing against the Wii, nothing to do with the Wii. Maybe people should stop making issues where none are. Post like these just show the desperation of the Wii crowd. Could this be the death of the Wii? Will it take those grandmas, grandpas, 8 year old kids and group of girls who never play video games but fell in love with Wii sports? No. But the HD console generation has been very boring in terms of video games. This is a boost to those consoles. Its all on the Wii whether or not it can sustain its numbers. All thats happened is now mainstream gamers (madden, gta players) now have a definitive reason to buy a next gen HD console over a Wii. That reason is GTA.

Are Wii owners still crying for GTA4 ... I thaught that SSBB and SMG was enough :?

I am glad you decided to post without even skimming the OP for any kind of context. You are adding serious depth to this conversation with completely uninformed one liners that are in no way relevant to any conversation happening in this thread.

 So you use the number 10, I reply, you reply, I reply, you then tell me what 10 means? What?

We obviously have a communication problem here. I will tell you what I think in clear words, and then walk away from this thread. 

I am in this thread for one reason. Not to talk about GTA, or talk about a rating system, but to talk about your frame of mind when you made this post.

You made a post that's thread title is obviously derogatory to the HD console user-base. The flavor of this thread is that somehow scores are misrepresentative because a game like GTA has outscored every game on the Wii, and probably will outscore every game for a long while now. This entire post exists as a reaction to a review. It's an attempt to get your views out based on what this review might do to the industry. What this game might do to the industry.

That's an act of desperation. If you look at my very first post. It's all I talked about. It was about how hypocritical this thread is. Not to mention how arrogant and condescending you can be. We can leave that for anther thread ;)

Sorry, not the same thing. You are trying to use this context to poke fun at a reactionary post I posted? Funny. That post was in reaction to everyone being pissed off that GTA4 was getting 10's, when it was not as good as OoT. Why were you not jumping down there throats with your commentary on review systems?

It's funny how much BS people let other people get away with when they happen to have the same ultimate view. If I wrote this OP with the exact same bias put on Nintendo consoles, and I titled it "SMG demonstrates Wii userbase desperation", I would being fighting the opposite people.

If we're talking about the Wow, we sure have some rabid OoT fans thread, then that makes it all the more hilarious:

Of course, when you actually follow the link, you'll see that this latest review was posted on 4-12-08, which is a solid 2 1/2 weeks before GTA IV's 4-29-08 release date. Apparently, Nintendo fans have mastered time travel and this reviewer is a Terminator unit sent back in the past to steal GTA IV's thunder of getting a 10.

Maybe... just maybe, TheRealMafoo, you should consider the possibilty that you are just a teensy bit overly defensive on the subject of GTA IV and its 10 rating. Seriously, I'm actually a little worried about you right now, it's not healthy. Go play the game and relax.