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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Otter said:

I'm sure if they launched the PS4 at $299 they would have sold more PS4's, does that make the $399 price a big mistake? No because success ultimately relates to profit and whatever targets they've got in regards to hardware sales, they obviously have a bigger picture in terms of how they actually want to make money in the long term.

That's different. They can launch at $399, see how much they sell and then lower the price to sell to those who did not want to buy at full price and thus win on both fronts.

Whereas if they let an exclusive go, knowing full well that exclusives help a lot to sell a system, they will mathematically lose sales, the price is irrelevant. A PC gamer that could get a PS4 because they really want to try Horizon Zero Dawn may end up not getting the PS4 if they can simply play that game on PC.

I am not super crazy enthused about getting a Switch but I may end up getting one cause I'd love to play Zelda BoTW, Super Mario Odyssey etc. Why? Because I can't play those games on PS4, if I could I would NEVER get a Switch. Nintendo wants to sell Switches therefore Nintendo keeps those games exclusively to the Switch, makes total sense.

Even so, I can totally agree with someone saying: But this way Sony is going to make more money by selling that game to PC gamers. Yes, but they will risk selling less consoles and let me repeat again: Sony clearly said not so long ago that they aim to sell AS MANY PS5's as QUICKLY as possible to as many people as possible and letting exclusives go away like this will DEFINITELY not help towards that goal.

You miss the point. Hardware sale target always fits within a bigger context which is why they never launched the PS4 at $299, they knew they would loose money inspite of selling more physical hardware. If all sony care about is getting hardware into the hand of consumers, the PS5 will be cheap, also the online will be free to give them a competitive edge.... but this is never the sole function of business and inspite of whatever quote you read, I promise you Sony's goal for the next 5 years goes a bit deeper then selling infinite hardware. 

Essentially everyone is overreacting with very little grasp of what sonys intentions are here (IF this rumour turns out to be true)



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Zoombael said:

If you dont mind waiting 3 years for the games, and you think its not worth for you to buy a ps5 just buy a PC If you have that linda of money , its not the end of the world.

And we dont even know If his is true.

Not the end of the world? Nothing is the end of the world, except for the end of the world.

Pls, spare me the phrases.

I have "a PC". Always had "a PC" since the early 2000s. Would i need to upgrade if i wanted to play PS5 "exclusives"? Most prbly not, because with this step they'd have to ensure the lowest common denominator will run the games. Which in turn means devs will be restrained by the lowest common denominator. Which will be conventional PC hardware with mechanical hard drive. And that reads as Sony will be no different than MS dragging last gen hardware behind wasting resources who knows for how long instead of uncovering the true potential and take advantage of a new genuine hardware generation.



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Zoombael said:

I have "a PC". Always had "a PC" since the early 2000s. Would i need to upgrade if i wanted to play PS5 "exclusives"? Most prbly not, because with this step they'd have to ensure the lowest common denominator will run the games. Which in turn means devs will be restrained by the lowest common denominator. Which will be conventional PC hardware with mechanical hard drive.

No, every PC game has minimal specs. If they include a mandatory SSD in the minimal specs, devs aren't restrained by mechanical HDDs anymore.

The share of gamer PCs with SSDs has grown a lot over the last years and SSDs have gotten a lot cheaper. So the hardware base of "SSD gamer PCs" will be big enough for 2020/2021 games, allowing SSDs as mandatory requirements for new AAA games.



padib said:
vivster said:
If this becomes the norm I might have to stop calling Sony assholes.

Super hyped for this. Out of all PS4 exclusives I wanted to play this one the most, but couldn't.

You don't have a PS4?

I have 2, actually. Though I have yet to figure out how to install a driver for mouse and keyboard or where to get the patch that increases fps and resolution.



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

I am not super crazy enthused about getting a Switch but I may end up getting one cause I'd love to play Zelda BoTW, Super Mario Odyssey etc. Why? Because I can't play those games on PS4, if I could I would NEVER get a Switch. Nintendo wants to sell Switches therefore Nintendo keeps those games exclusively to the Switch, makes total sense.

Except you can play Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey on PC...




At some point all your Nintendo and Playstation games will end up on PC, it's not a matter of if, but when... So why not make some money and port the games over to Steam? It also brings brand recognition to your console platforms from dedicated PC gamers, who then may purchase said console for the living room.



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d21lewis said:
Didn't realize it was out so soon. I'll buy it as soon as I finish Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I have a loooong way to go, though.

Pemalite said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I am not super crazy enthused about getting a Switch but I may end up getting one cause I'd love to play Zelda BoTW, Super Mario Odyssey etc. Why? Because I can't play those games on PS4, if I could I would NEVER get a Switch. Nintendo wants to sell Switches therefore Nintendo keeps those games exclusively to the Switch, makes total sense.

Except you can play pirate Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey on PC...




At some point all your Nintendo and Playstation games will end up on PC, it's not a matter of if, but when... So why not make some money and port the games over to Steam? It also brings brand recognition to your console platforms from dedicated PC gamers, who then may purchase said console for the living room.

Fixed it for you. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 23 January 2020

the-pi-guy said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Fixed it for you. 

Well technically yes.  

But really, you don't have to pirate games to play them on PC.

Emulating current gen games on a PC is piracy, unless you own the system it was meant for, and a legitimate a copy of the game. 90% of people playing BotW or Odyssey on PC have neither. 

Buying a Switch is part of the cost of playing Nintendo games. Just like having a PS+ account is part of the cost of playing the online portion of a PS4 game. If I were to find a way to circumvent the PS+ requirement of playing the online portion of a PS4 game, I'd be partially pirating the game. Partially pirating = pirating. So people that play a Switch game on PC, when they don't actually own a Switch are pirating the game. 

Yes, there are a few people out there that legitimately just want to play the game at higher frames and resolution. Yes, those people actually own a Switch, and a legit copy of the game. But let's not kid ourselves here. The Switch emulation scene is the piracy scene. Anybody that says otherwise is simply being willfully ignorant, or is misinformed. 

And before anybody says anything about game preservation and the like, I'd like to remind them that there's absolutely no reason to try to "preserve" a game on a current gen system. I'd like to also remind them that emulation of last gen games is perfectly fine, especially games that are ten years old or older, and/or hard to find. 



the-pi-guy said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Emulating current gen games on a PC is piracy, unless you own the system it was meant for, and a legitimate a copy of the game. 90% of people playing BotW or Odyssey on PC have neither. 

Buying a Switch is part of the cost of playing Nintendo games. Just like having a PS+ account is part of the cost of playing the online portion of a PS4 game. If I were to find a way to circumvent the PS+ requirement of playing the online portion of a PS4 game, I'd be partially pirating the game. Partially pirating = pirating. So people that play a Switch game on PC, when they don't actually own a Switch are pirating the game. 

Yes, there are a few people out there that legitimately just want to play the game at higher frames and resolution. Yes, those people actually own a Switch, and a legit copy of the game. But let's not kid ourselves here. The Switch emulation scene is the piracy scene. Anybody that says otherwise is simply being willfully ignorant, or is misinformed. 

And before anybody says anything about game preservation and the like, I'd like to remind them that there's absolutely no reason to try to "preserve" a game on a current gen system. I'd like to also remind them that emulation of last gen games is perfectly fine, especially games that are ten years old or older, and/or hard to find. 

Legitimate copy is required yes.  You don't need to own the system it was meant for.  Legally speaking, emulators aren't piracy.  You just need a legal way to dump a legal copy of the game and there aren't any piracy issues.  

The law and/or a judge can say that 2+2 = 5. Doesn't make it so.

Most lawmakers are completely ignorant about how technology from 2000 works, let alone modern tech. Most judges are either just as ignorant, or incompetent partisan political appointees. At least that's how it is here in the USA. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 23 January 2020

Sony is really smart and it shows, they are fishing for more buyers of the PS5, they release some old exclusives for PC, people love it and they decide they need a PS5 for the sequels to those games, very smart. They should also release it on the xbox, so those players would also desire the ps5 to play Horizon 2.