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thismeintiel said:

Completely different situation, though.  When Nintendo announced it was going to make mobile games, it was in a bad situation.  The Wii U had utterly flopped and the 3DS was doing just ok.  Not really hard to see why people might think they would move towards mobile gaming if the gaming market hadn't taken to the Switch.  But, they did, so Nintendo consoles are going to be around for the foreseeable future, with Nintendo dropping a few games here or there on mobile. 

"Completely different situation". Yep. Nintendo was putting downgraded, money-making apps on smartphones for promotional purposes. Sony is (reportedly) putting upgrades of their biggest IP on a rival platform.
Everyone knows Nintendo has a warchest that will last them 'til forever. They weren't going anywhere.

Sony, on the other hand, is moving toward another gen having just come off the massive success of the PS4, now the 2nd best selling home console.  They, just like Nintendo, know they need exclusives to help push that system.  And Sony doesn't care if MS is ahead in the sub wars, unless it is drastically so or if they are doing it by continuing to give away subs for $1.  Sony wants to sell HW and SW, as well as keep full priced subbers around.  Giving their games away for $1 isn't exactly something they are going to be into.

Sony's growth in sales this gen has come directly at MS's expense. Sony's best case scenario going forward is picking up another 20-30m users from MS and a software boost of ~20-30%. 20% growth is nothing to sniff at but if MS doesn't have a horrible gen this time, Sony could quite easily lose 50m+ users to them again.

Steam, MS, Nintendo, Android and iOS all have ecosystems that span different types of hardware. If Sony's or all home consoles take a downturn then Sony has no option but to sit it out while everyone else has an alternative.

Putting their games on PC could easily result in double the sales for some of their 1st party titles.
Sony definitely wanted to sell HW when it came with their DVD/Bluray player. I'm not so sure they do now.
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Like I said, this is a 3 year old game.  It's not that big of a deal.  Maybe the time table will move up to 1 year.  Still, if you don't want to wait, you'll have to buy a PS5.  Heck, maybe their games won't do that well on PC, so they won't even bother porting them over.  Only time will tell.

Sony's IPs will do great on PC. Any goodwill they lose from the Sony faithful will be more than made up by what they gain from PC gamers.



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Zoombael said:
Sony to give away their guns when they require them the most? This level of incompetence i expect from Microsoft.

Listen, Horizon 2 Will probably BE a launh ps5 game and exclusive, they release this on PC and PC gamer see the game is good , some might buy a ps5 console , not Much but some might,they get sales from a three or Four years old game  ,at full price. I dont see them going full PC and ps5 at the same time ever.

And we dont even know If this is true or when they Will release the game on PC, but they need to hunt down the rats that are leaking plans these games industry leeches 

Like this cunt Jason shreier.

Why would i trust them to keep it limited to the first HZD? Or that one exclusive? Why should i continue to support Sony and trust them in keeping the competition on their toes with a plus of 1A games when they chose the same path as Microsoft? Why buy their Hard-/Software?



Hunting Season is done...

the-pi-guy said:

What dev did Sony hire?

The Programmer/Dev (like the last guy, no semantics. 



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the-pi-guy said:

Big mistake from Sony, especially since they very clearly said, they want as many PS5's as possible in every home as soon as possible.

Well because of blunders like this, whatever the amount of PS5's sold, it will be smaller than the amount they would have sold had they not made the mistake of letting exclusives go.

So Sony can't complain if/when that happens.

And I mean this from the business point of view naturally cause from the consumers point of view it means some PC people playing those amazing games which is good for them.

From my point of view, AS LONG AS those amazing games are available on my system of choice, I don't care that Horizon Zero Dawn ends up being available for the Nintendo Game & Watch or even my antiquated childhood calculator that is missing a couple keys.



thismeintiel said:
Considering it is a 3 year old game, it's not that big a deal, IF this turns out to be real. And not just PS Now, but native support. I could see Sony releasing an exclusive on the PS5, then maybe 1-2 years later, they release the PC version. Then, again, this could just be Sony putting Horizon on PC to get PC players interested in the sequel, which will only be on PS5.

Now, if Sony does something foolish like releasing on PC at the exact same time, I think it will hurt PS5 sales.

Interesting thoughts. I think your first theory is more likely than the second.

And since Death Stranding is coming to PC, and now we learn about Horizon, I think it's fairly possible that Sony is, from this point forward, putting their exclusives on PC after a timed delay (not that DS was Sony's, but it coming to PC indicates that Sony wasn't interested in spending the extra money to keep it exclusive to their hardware).

Maybe I'm jumping the gun a little bit, and it's too early to say anything with any amount of certainty, but it's a possibility.

If what I've outlined does turn out to be true, and given that I've gotten to know you enough to know that you are a Sony man, then I'm a bit surprised that you don't think it's a big deal. Is it even a little deal? If it had to be ranked as positive deal, negative deal, or neutral deal, would you say it's neutral deal?

I guess it's not devastating, but it kinda seems like you're shrugging it off as though Sony putting games on PC doesn't bother you at all. It bothers me. Should it not? Should we not care if console exclusivity is a thing of the past.

I've also considered that maybe projecting this whole thing as though it were not a big deal, even if it was, could be a method of reconciling with our problems. If that's the current meta, then wink twice at the end of your reply so I can be a part of this.



the-pi-guy said:
Chazore said:

Yes, but it's interesting because they happened to nab someone who just so happens to hold experience in those fields. There are many choices out there for Sony to choose from. Devs like these aren't akin to one Stephen Hawking, no, there are plenty of choices out there for Sony to choose from, but they just so happen to choose a dev with experience in those two specific fields.

A dev with those extra talents will likely be made use of, rather than "you're a dev like any other, do the mundane tasks".

Besides, why now do a full PC port of one game, at this time, and then magically hire a dev who just so happens to share talents with what stems from the very platform they are making this port to. I wouldn't chalk it entirely up to mere coincidence, that's not what you hire a dev with two extras under his belt for. If they are indeed planning to branch out further, then that dev is the perfect choice for the job. 

I'm not one to chalk it up to coincidence, because let's be honest, I want and hope for the best for what is slowly transpiring, and I'm not one to toss it under a bus out of fear that some fanboys are going to lose a few exclusives. Let's be logical, why hire and waste someone with multiple talents, when you could simply scout and hire a person with only one specific talent you're after?. There have been plenty of times artists have come to working with animation studios in the past, that ended up being made use of with those multiple field experiences, hell, same goes for Voice actors too, who go on to become not only regular VA's, but directors and organisers too. Multiple talents do get made use of, if not now, somewhere down the road.

I dare to say that Sony's made a wise choice in acquiring this dev, because his talents will provide a boon in the future, going forward.

What dev did Sony hire?

Was going to ask the same thing. How does a job posting being made translate directly into the words "Sony's made a wise choice in acquiring this dev". Has the position even been filled yet? From what I can tell, the job listing was just recently posted on the 15th, and it's not even a critical position. It's not like they are hiring a new lead programmer or something.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Well that sinks it for me. I won't be buying a PS5 since all the exclusives are likely coming to PC, even if it is 2-3 years later. Other PS titles have come to PC, but not titles that Sony fully owned. This is a huge change for the company, and signals that they are going to go the MS route of not caring how many consoles they sell, and just pushing services.

This is pretty sad, because consoles had at least one or two more good generations in them. With both Sony and MS pretty much waving the white flag to streaming, and PC, it's a foregone conclusion that PS5 + XB1SX won't sell a combined 115 million units.

Modern Non-Nintendo game consoles are basically little more than machines for casuals now. There's absolutely no reason to buy a Sony or MS next gen console. PC is just better.

Lol, I promise you exclusives are not the reason why 95% of people buy a console to game on instead of a PC. Exclusives determine what console people get, not whether they get one. For the 5% who are desperate to play on a gaming  PC and are only being held hostage by the 1 or 2 console exclusives you want each year, you should be happy that your gaming experience is now more flexible, more games, less hardware.

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CrazyGamer2017 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Big mistake from Sony, especially since they very clearly said, they want as many PS5's as possible in every home as soon as possible.

Well because of blunders like this, whatever the amount of PS5's sold, it will be smaller than the amount they would have sold had they not made the mistake of letting exclusives go.

So Sony can't complain if/when that happens.

And I mean this from the business point of view naturally cause from the consumers point of view it means some PC people playing those amazing games which is good for them.

From my point of view, AS LONG AS those amazing games are available on my system of choice, I don't care that Horizon Zero Dawn ends up being available for the Nintendo Game & Watch or even my antiquated childhood calculator that is missing a couple keys.

I'm sure if they launched the PS4 at $299 they would have sold more PS4's, does that make the $399 price a big mistake? No because success ultimately relates to profit and whatever targets they've got in regards to hardware sales, they obviously have a bigger picture in terms of how they actually want to make money in the long term.



Otter said:

I'm sure if they launched the PS4 at $299 they would have sold more PS4's, does that make the $399 price a big mistake? No because success ultimately relates to profit and whatever targets they've got in regards to hardware sales, they obviously have a bigger picture in terms of how they actually want to make money in the long term.

That's different. They can launch at $399, see how much they sell and then lower the price to sell to those who did not want to buy at full price and thus win on both fronts.

Whereas if they let an exclusive go, knowing full well that exclusives help a lot to sell a system, they will mathematically lose sales, the price is irrelevant. A PC gamer that could get a PS4 because they really want to try Horizon Zero Dawn may end up not getting the PS4 if they can simply play that game on PC.

I am not super crazy enthused about getting a Switch but I may end up getting one cause I'd love to play Zelda BoTW, Super Mario Odyssey etc. Why? Because I can't play those games on PS4, if I could I would NEVER get a Switch. Nintendo wants to sell Switches therefore Nintendo keeps those games exclusively to the Switch, makes total sense.

Even so, I can totally agree with someone saying: But this way Sony is going to make more money by selling that game to PC gamers. Yes, but they will risk selling less consoles and let me repeat again: Sony clearly said not so long ago that they aim to sell AS MANY PS5's as QUICKLY as possible to as many people as possible and letting exclusives go away like this will DEFINITELY not help towards that goal.



the-pi-guy said:

The details of a job posting doesn't necessarily translate to the actual job.  

For example it's not uncommon to overstate experience required or give examples of related experience. 

So when the posting says "looking for someone with experience in OpenGL, Vulkan, DirectX"

That doesn't mean they are looking for someone with all 3.  And it doesn't mean they are going to use all 3.  

Regardless, even one of the 3 translates to some new development, as opposed to nothing new at all. 



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