I don't own a 2k GPU though?, and I still get crazy FPS with my games, either at downsampled 4k or 1440p for me.

Yeah, but you're comparing one game on PS3 vs one other on PS4, years down the line, rather than other games vs different ones. Pemalite even pointed out about the whole "coding to the metal" part.

He even pointed out other good looking games, that still push PC hw. Total War games also push PC CPU's quite hard as well. Even planet Coaster pushes my CPU hard, forcing me to limit the amount of guests I can have in my park, due to the guests being CPU bound. You could see how current gen handled City Skylines vs how PC handled it.

"The time of PC's pushing graphics is behind us"? It really isn't. PC's are still pushing boundaries that consoles have yet to catch up on (like CPU bound games as one large example).

I don't see how this is a thing, where PC gaming is said to be great, but it's somehow crap, because you're not interested, but you're thinking PS5>over anything designed from Nvidia or AMD, despite the fact that said hw manufacturers also make hw for PC's as well. 

Also, it'll be one GPU, and optimisation these days involves tweaking things back a bit, especially with object detail and render distance (shadows as well). 

Not hating on pc gaming at all. Like I said, I also own a decent gaming rig and I love it. I'm just explaining why I'm still playing mostly on my ps4 and why I'm curious to see what the next gen games will look like. Because lets be honest here, they will very likely look a step above anything we see today on pc.

Not saying the latest pc hardware can't run ps5 games, I'm just saying we have to wait till the next gen console games come out before we will finally see what a 2080 RTX really is capable of. 

Well like I said, I think pc gaming is great. However, having the latest $2000 GPU will only get you crazy fps and native 4k with games that you can play on the ps4. Kinda like the ps3 remasters we see on the ps4 pro. Sure it's nice but there's a big difference between lets say a TLOU remaster in 4k and TLOU 2 in 1080p.

Not hating on pc gaming at all. Like I said, I also own a decent gaming rig and I love it. I'm just explaining why I'm still playing mostly on my ps4 and why I'm curious to see what the next gen games will look like. Because lets be honest here, they will very likely look a step above anything we see today on pc.

Not saying the latest pc hardware can't run ps5 games, I'm just saying we have to wait till the next gen console games come out before we will finally see what a 2080 RTX really is capable of. 

I didn't specifically say you hated it, but you're putting a bit of arrogance in there, to suggest that PC gaming doesn't do anything good, nor contributes to the industry, let alone devs that release games on and for it. 

You're putting both bias and stock into the one platform you've stuck yourself to, as if it'll trump everything else, and if it doesn't, then buyers remorse would start to kick in.

Pemalite already posted videos displaying games that simply look amazing. Trying to pit a few third person, heavily story driven games vs every other genre is going to net you at a loss there.

The latest hw could run PS5 games, and then some. I don't think an RTX GPU is going to matter to a console only exclusive game, because for one, it's not going to be used in the console itself, and for another, the console exclusive game won't be on PC, so you'll be right back to comparing a Sony exclusive game, with anything that could be found on PC. You're literally setting up for a circle, a repeat of this very discussion we are having right now. I absolutely guarantee that next gen, you'll come to the same conclusion, because what you've displayed so far, lends to you having already made up your mind, for the rest of time even. 

We've also seen what RT is capable of on PC, not consoles, and even then, when consoles manage to achieve a degree of RT, it'll be due to PC, due to Nvidia, and other hw manufacturers, not a console. 

Well, it's kinda true that there aren't any major developers anymore that focus on pc. It's console first nowadays and pc (usually) gets a port of those games. That is what I'm trying to say here. And yes, you can play them on ultra settings on pc but at it's core, it's still the exact same game. 

And no, I'm not only talking about ps5 exclusives at all. It's just a simple fact that all multi platform games that will come out for next gen consoles (and aren't cross gen) will look better than anything we are currently seeing on pc. Why, you ask? Because those games will be made by AAA studios working with $200 million budgets and will be designed from the ground up to look as good as possible while taking full advantage of a GPU, they are telling us will be more powerful than a 2080 RTX. 

Maybe you think I'm biased. But can you seriously give me 1 example of a game that is on pc right now that truly looks next gen compared to the games we are seeing on ps4, let alone the stuff we'll see on ps5. 

Well, it's kinda true that there aren't any major developers anymore that focus on pc. It's console first nowadays and pc (usually) gets a port of those games. That is what I'm trying to say here. And yes, you can play them on ultra settings on pc but at it's core, it's still the exact same game. 

Blizzard, Blue-Byte, Firaxis, Creative Assembly, Relic Entertainment, Maxis, Firefly Studios... I could go on.

Fair enough. If you like RTS games, PC is definitely the platform to go. I also used to love WOW but I don't think we'll see Blizzard focusing on pc anymore. In any case, I'm not here to upset anyone. PC gaming is great but it's a bit disillusion to think the next gen console games aren't going to raise the bar compared to what we're seeing right now.

Sure mods do give an indication, but it's still just an extra layer of paint on a game that was designed from the ground up to run on current gen consoles and lower spec pc's as well. Next gen games on the other hand will be designed from the ground up to take full advantage of a 2080GTX. We just have to wait and see what that will look like but I'm guessing bigger, more denser worlds, some form of ray tracing and just more overall visual fidelity. That doesn't mean the ps5 will be better than the latest gaming rigs. All I'm saying is that graphics are going to take a leap when next gen consoles come out and for the pc gamers who didn't buy a 2080RTX or better, it will be time to upgrade.